| [11:16:20] | <Elin> | BEGINNING SESSION 2 |
| [11:17:15] | <kamman> | number of investors who I have sent adrew´s absolutely brilliant stuff = about 250 |
| [11:17:20] | <Elin> | We are saving these posted comments for David´s Bighook site and documentation. |
| [11:17:31] | <Elin> | We´ll organize the links |
| [11:17:41] | <kamman> | number of investors who have actually read it = I guess about 15 |
| [11:19:20] | <Gillmor> | Can´t remember the last time I used the Yellow Pages... |
| [11:19:47] | <kaminski> | Andrew´s home page: http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/ |
| [11:24:05] | <Shirky> | Weinberger: those numbers are the overhand the ILECs don´t want to see exposed |
| [11:24:07] | <kamman> | imagine where we would be if the cable companies had built out a network capable of 2 way service from the get-go... |
| [11:24:13] | <Shirky> | overhand == overhang |
| [11:24:56] | <Shirky> | not sure that would have helped, since the cable companies were regulated as locla monopolies |
| [11:24:59] | <Elin> | YEAH!  |
| [11:25:11] | <kamman> | also, if brand new national buildouts are so economicaly impossible, how did we get this cable network in the first place? |
| [11:25:33] | <Robles> | Good point. |
| [11:25:43] | <Shirky> | one monopoly at a time |
| [11:25:48] | <Robles> | Right |
| [11:25:57] | <Robles> | Then big roll ups |
| [11:26:14] | <Thatcher> | Doesn´t that lead to a discussion on the real B/W needs? |
| [11:26:47] | <Elin> | The cable companies promised all sorts of advanced services to get granted the local monopolies....and never delivered. |
| [11:26:49] | <Beckemeyer> | oil more profit than telco in raw dollars or percentage? |
| [11:31:36] | <kaminski> | large collection of old gasoline company signs: http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~cirillo/petro/gashigh.htm |
| [11:32:44] | <kaminski> | huge collection of old gas stations signs: http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~cirillo/petro/gashigh.htm |
| [11:34:15] | <kaminski> | Huge collection of old gas station signs: http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~cirillo/petro/gashigh.htm |
| [11:34:23] | <Elin> | test |
| [11:34:52] | <Elin> | Network is up. |
| [11:35:03] | <Elin> | You may need to click "Leave" and sign back in. |
| [11:35:18] | <Elin> | We seem to crash each time two VPN´s get started. |
| [11:35:30] | <kamman> | theassumption that it takes lots of smart people to run networks at the edge is questionable |
| [11:35:37] | <Elin> | If you have a VPN, please help us cordinate the use of VPN |
| [11:35:54] | <Elin> | We can probably set up little shifts during the breaks. |
| [11:35:55] | <Clark> | I don´t think the word is "run" as much as it is "help design" |
| [11:36:03] | <Elin> | Thank you. |
| [11:36:06] | <Berry> | How did edge/backbone ratio change in last 2 years? Were they more equal when all the investment decisions were made? |
| [11:36:18] | <kamman> | what you need to do is find a way for really stupid clueless people to run their edge networks |
| [11:36:31] | <Michalski> | and the corporate networks are essentially sunk costs |
| [11:36:32] | <Shirky> | napster did it |
| [11:36:54] | <Michalski> | that´s where you get free bandwidth. that and home DIY networks |
| [11:37:01] | <kamman> | good point mr shirky |
| [11:37:14] | <Michalski> | (free, of course is an exaggeration; but essentially free) |
| [11:37:26] | <Shirky> | thats whats coming, unless hollywood kills it -- user-configurable edge networks |
| [11:37:54] | <Shirky> | free =~ low cost, flat rate, e.g. free of mental transaction costs |
| [11:40:42] | <kamman> | scenario - microsoft uses its $$ to fund skypilot or the like and creates a nationwide rollout of 2 megabit service per household for $2 a month - BUT it only runs on MSFT software. Are we better off? |
| [11:41:25] | <Clark> | only if we live and trust MSFT (look around at all the macs here) |
| [11:42:09] | <Elin> | Interesting: Illegal monopolies are better businesses and more profitable. |
| [11:42:24] | <Stout> | more or less than last year? |
| [11:42:43] | <Stout> | black market? |
| [11:43:09] | <Elin> | More profitable than regulated businesses. |
| [11:43:10] | <Clark> | anarchy is where choice is |
| [11:45:49] | <kaminski> | new speaker: shirky |
| [11:46:33] | <kamman> | anarchy is where really thuggish people with guns rape and pillage nice people like us |
| [11:47:13] | <Campbell> | LogNote: T11 5:00 |
| [11:48:25] | <Elin> | More readable thoughts? |
| [11:48:34] | <Campbell> | LogNote: DAT 31:00 |
| [11:48:56] | <kamman> | wow - now the screen is shouting |
| [11:49:18] | <Elin> | too big? |
| [11:49:44] | <Clark> | a little easier to read thru some of the glare |
| [11:50:12] | <Robles> | Cool. Tim can you read the screen now? |
| [11:50:20] | <Elin> | |
| [11:50:27] | <Robles> | |
| [11:50:43] | <kamman> | for the record - congreagation dies in thelong run, communication is ultimate winner |
| [11:51:09] | <kamman> | good intercast plus digitality means you cant restrict people´s ability to share |
| [11:51:11] | <Michalski> | there are still subtle centers to these networks: the hosts of conversations, etc. |
| [11:51:34] | <Comstedt> | |
| [11:52:32] | <kamman> | the more hollywood understands the challenge of "intercast" networks (eg. p2p) the further up thestacke they will try to go (ie. control thedevices) |
| [11:53:03] | <Robles> | I agree with you Kamman |
| [11:53:38] | <Shirky> | if streetcorner) |
| [11:53:52] | <Black> | re: intercast networks -- doesn´t the fact that aol is suffering show that people are already skirting centralized stuff? |
| [11:54:06] | <Black> | i mean why use aol if you can use google. it just takes a little sophistication |
| [11:54:14] | <Shirky> | if (streetcorner) { then starbucks} |
| [11:54:17] | <Black> | that´s what hollywood doesn´t think we have. |
| [11:54:30] | <kaminski> | elin: "me-to-me computing" |
| [11:54:41] | <Shirky> | wel, aol has always been two-faced: they tout content to theri advertisers, but their users have always prized email and chat |
| [11:55:06] | <Michalski> | how can I take a wireless device to a museum and get Greg´s tour of the collection? |
| [11:55:23] | <Shirky> | small pieces, loosely joined |
| [11:55:25] | <Clark> | thanks jerry |
| [11:55:48] | <kaminski> | location-based, user-generated content: http://www.haikuhaiku.com/ |
| [11:56:37] | <kamman> | just note-taking there´s p2p computing and then there´s me2me computing - allow yourself to aintain a dialogue with yourself (e.g. we´re doing now |
| [11:57:15] | <Shapiro> | kinda of like the three degrees of Kevin Bacon - how do you find out all you and your friends know |
| [11:57:22] | <Weinberger> | I2I |
| [11:57:36] | <Weinberger> | I2I = me@me |
| [11:58:04] | <kamman> | if we´re the ones getting value of out intercast, maybe we shuld be paying? |
| [11:58:06] | <Shapiro> | the MCI Friends plan - platinum version |
| [11:58:13] | <Weinberger> | third try: I2I = me2me |
| [11:58:42] | <Shirky> | kamman: two minds wiht but a single thought... |
| [11:58:43] | <kaminski> | Reed´s Law: http://www.reed.com/gfn/ |
| [11:59:19] | <Robles> | There is a good spatial database out now provided by Keyhole at http://www.earthviewer.com/ |
| [11:59:54] | <kaminski> | shirky: intercast features user capture of residual value |
| [12:00:11] | <Elin> | Earthviewer is supports (on the business side) the integration of specific data with general data...great example. |
| [12:07:28] | <Aizu> | bighook2002-list@mindspring.com list address seems not working |
| [12:07:39] | <Campbell> | LogNote: DAT 53:00, T11 26:00 |
| [12:08:00] | <kamman> | municipal networks - they will build it when they realize that they are losing businesses or not attracting new ones because broadband is a "critical" resource. same olde chicken andegg problem? |
| [12:08:20] | <Michalski> | there´s another reason why Napster and IM, which are still pretty difficult, are so popular: massive pent-up demand for what they offer |
| [12:13:35] | <Campbell> | test |
| [12:20:10] | <Njoo> | test |
| [12:20:48] | <Turner> | test |
| [12:53:34] | <Campbell> | test |
| [13:51:06] | <Campbell> | test |
| [13:54:50] | <Campbell> | LogNote: 4a DAT start ar |
| [13:55:17] | <Campbell> | Lognote: session 4a DAT start at 55:00 |
| [13:56:37] | <Campbell> | LogNote: Session 4a cass T10 start at 26:22 |
| [13:59:49] | <Weinberger> | (Interesting on filtering spam: http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html ) |
| [14:15:47] | <Clark> | Thanks DW |
| [14:15:57] | <Clark> | We were just talking about spam at lunch |
| [14:16:39] | <Clark> | http://motorola.com/canopy |
| [14:17:58] | <kaminski> | Blaise Pascal, Lettres Provinciales, 1657: "Je n´ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n´ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte." (I have made this [letter] longer because I did not have the leisure to make it shorter.) |
| [14:18:14] | <Weinberger> | Excellent citation! |
| [14:19:22] | <ORISTANO> | Anyone who can quote dead Frenchmen in French is overeducated! |
| [14:19:40] | <Clark> | or has too much time logged in on the search engines |
| [14:19:54] | <Weinberger> | BTW, "time and tide waits for no man" first shows up in Chaucer but was probably a saying before then. http://www.xrefer.com/entry/637983 |
| [14:21:03] | <Freeburg> | Hello |
| [14:21:04] | <Isenberg> | Hello World |
| [14:21:32] | <Isenberg> | hello |
| [14:21:54] | <Weinberger> | The world doesn |
| [14:22:01] | <Isenberg> | hello |
| [14:22:09] | <Weinberger> | [Damn Enter key!] The world is listening, David. |
| [14:22:18] | <Isenberg> | |
