| [12:31:00] | <Elin> | Test posting... |
| [12:31:06] | <Elin> | Test posting 2 |
| [12:31:13] | <Elin> | Test posting 3 |
| [12:34:12] | <Elin> | wireless is up! |
| [12:34:56] | <Clark> | posting, posting, posting |
| [12:35:13] | <Clark> | here´s judi posting   |
| [12:35:26] | <Clark> | more posting  |
| [12:35:32] | <Clark> |  |
| [12:35:46] | <Elin> | slkflkj |
| [12:35:55] | <Elin> | Testing. |
| [12:36:16] | <Elin> | Testing. |
| [12:36:25] | <Clark> | 1, 2, 3... |
| [12:36:33] | <Clark> | wait a minute |
| [12:36:40] | <Isenberg> | posting test message |
| [12:36:44] | <Isenberg> | Anotehr post. |
| [12:36:44] | <Clark> | here´s more info than you´ll ever need! |
| [12:36:46] | <Isenberg> | Another |
| [12:36:48] | <Isenberg> | Here we go |
| [12:36:50] | <Clark> | whoo hoo |
| [12:36:54] | <Isenberg> | We aren´t getting two posintg. |
| [12:36:59] | <Clark> | good salass |
| [12:37:02] | <Clark> | oops |
| [12:37:04] | <Clark> | good salad |
| [12:37:09] | <Clark> | nice hook |
| [12:37:26] | <Clark> | keep at it for a second |
| [12:37:36] | <Clark> | here´s another post |
| [12:37:39] | <Elin> | zny doubles here? |
| [12:37:44] | <Elin> | Nope. Looking good |
| [12:37:46] | <Isenberg> | here we go |
| [12:37:47] | <Elin> | Here we go. |
| [12:37:50] | <Elin> | |
| [12:37:55] | <Elin> | Testing. |
| [12:37:58] | <Elin> | Coupldjlksd |
| [12:37:58] | <Isenberg> | annie isw posting |
| [12:37:59] | <Clark> | |
| [12:38:01] | <Elin> | more. |
| [12:38:06] | <Elin> | |
| [12:38:09] | <Elin> | ksdjflkj |
| [12:38:13] | <Elin> | Special instrucitons |
| [12:38:14] | <Clark> | yeah, one post |
| [12:38:18] | <Elin> | one post. |
| [12:38:38] | <Isenberg> | even though she can´t type too good with |
| [12:38:48] | <Clark> | wqho cares |
| [12:38:49] | <Isenberg> | these long nails |
| [12:38:53] | <Isenberg> | bye |
| [12:42:08] | <Freeburg> | hi |
| [12:58:12] | <Isenberg> | this is a test again |
| [13:11:09] | <Weinberger> | I forget how to whisper... |
| [13:11:31] | <Weinberger> | You just click on the name on the right to whisper |
| [13:12:58] | <Elin> | Testing. |
| [13:14:22] | <Cukier> | this is also a test... |
| [13:16:48] | <Michalski> | anyone have a current e for Linda Stone? a friend is looking for her |
| [13:24:51] | <Shirky> | Jerry, do we know that Linda dropped the MSN address? |
| [13:25:22] | <Shirky> | Emotion is the best tool we have for traversing large search spaces. |
| [13:25:25] | <Michalski> | i know her msft address is gone |
| [13:25:29] | <Michalski> | what was the msn one? |
| [13:25:43] | <Michalski> | fear helps me traverse... |
| [13:26:21] | <Robles> | test  |
| [13:26:32] | <Shirky> | Fear is good. So is panic. |
| [13:29:08] | <Gritton> | fear overcome is good as is paranoia |
| [13:29:18] | <Isenberg> | hello world |
| [13:32:38] | <Michalski> | hey, Anders is here now! |
| [13:33:41] | <Comstedt> | Isnīt this just great, Greg? |
| [13:33:58] | <Michalski> | for laptop stands, visit http://www.instand.com (no commission to me, damn it) |
| [13:34:37] | <oristano> | I´m glad we´re doing this... I thought I was going to have to talk to people! |
| [13:34:45] | <Berry> | Has anyone figured out the email (sending) problem? My ISP won´t let me send outgoing mail through them, only receive... |
| [13:35:10] | <oristano> | Your outgoing SMTP server needs to be changed... I don´t know what to |
| [13:35:34] | <Michalski> | mine is sending fine, with my own smtp, not the outgoing server´s smtp |
| [13:40:33] | <Elin> | Who is Oristano, please? |
| [13:44:36] | <Freeburg> | Hello bighook! |
| [13:46:32] | <Clark> | |
| [13:48:03] | <Robles> | Mine is working too. |
| [13:49:19] | <Isenberg> | Has everybody logged onto the chat yet? |
| [13:49:49] | <Clark> | isen, you can see who´s here: list on the right |
| [13:49:52] | <Robles> | Nope. |
| [13:50:41] | <Robles> | Where is Pete?  |
| [13:50:59] | <Clark> | Haven´t seen him yet |
| [13:52:39] | <sob> | is this working? |
| [13:53:43] | <Freeburg> | anyone who has a viao, you need to rename your computer NOW! |
| [13:54:00] | <Clark> | won´t we have too many nows now? |
| [13:56:15] | <izumi> | just testing |
| [13:57:49] | <Petrovic> | Petrovic/lynx |
| [13:58:13] | <Weinberger> | For SMTP, do I need a username and pwd? |
| [14:04:20] | <Oristano> | We´re back live... |
| [14:06:29] | <Clark> | are there any bad guys here? |
| [14:07:35] | <Comstedt> | Is this better Frank? |
| [14:07:43] | <Robles> | Yes sir. |
| [14:08:32] | <Comstedt> | Is this David playing? |
| [14:10:41] | <Weinberger> | Yeah! |
| [14:11:04] | <Weinberger> | Yeah us! |
| [14:12:03] | <Shirky> | anybody here? the plasma screen seems to be dead |
| [14:12:11] | <Shirky> | user black! |
| [14:12:37] | <Weinberger> | I´m here, Clay. Together we´ll get through this. |
| [14:12:40] | <Shirky> | sorry i missed you in boston -- ended up coming through providence |
| [14:12:46] | <Weinberger> | Otherwise, the terrorists will have won. |
| [14:12:52] | <Shirky> | oops, last was to jane |
| [14:13:43] | <Weinberger> | Our first network indiscretion! Cool! But next time try to make it more embarrassing. |
| [14:16:05] | <Robles> | test |
| [14:16:18] | <Clark> | ah, telecommunications experiments... |
| [14:16:23] | <Comstedt> | with you Frank |
| [14:16:24] | <Shapiro> | it works! |
| [14:17:11] | <Robles> | ![:-]](pic/smilies/4.gif) |
| [14:17:54] | <bradner> | david is threatening me - help |
| [14:18:15] | <Shirky> | Dave... |
| [14:18:23] | <Robles> | |
| [14:18:32] | <pgod> | hello |
| [14:18:40] | <Shirky> | Daisee daisee, giiiveee mmmmeeeee yooourur |
| [14:19:04] | <Gillmor> | Thanks, Tom... |
| [14:19:42] | <Weinberger> | Free the Fish! |
| [14:20:01] | <Comstedt> | eat it David |
| [14:20:15] | <Weinberger> | Cruel comment to make to a vegetarian |
| [14:21:29] | <Comstedt> | somehow I guessed that |
| [14:28:05] | <Clark> | back online! |
| [14:29:59] | <Clark> | slow exposure to reality |
| [14:31:47] | <Clark> | |
| [14:32:31] | <Comstedt> | |
| [14:35:50] | <Elin> | I think so. |
| [14:35:55] | <pgod> | fine |
| [14:52:43] | <Elin> | We are back online. |
| [14:53:35] | <Freeburg> | If you have a VPN, DON´T! PLEASE! |
| [14:55:37] | <Michalski> | Etymology: Late Latin imbricatus, past participle of imbricare to cover with pantiles, from Latin imbric-, imbrex pantile, from imbr-, imber rain; akin to Greek ombros rain |
| [14:55:47] | <Michalski> | : lying lapped over each other in regular order |
| [15:01:29] | <bradner> | |
| [15:02:04] | <Shirky> | |
| [15:02:04] | <Isenberg> | |
| [15:02:22] | <Isenberg> | |
| [15:03:00] | <Clark> | careful what you wish for, eh? |
| [15:11:30] | <bradner> | public vs ...? |
| [15:12:15] | <Stout> | or what they really need |
| [15:12:16] | <Clark> | commoditized? |
| [15:15:49] | <bradner> | DMCA - is an attack on people |
| [15:18:29] | <Isenberg> | At some point I´d like to do a poll on "how many people in the room do you already know *independently* of BigHook?" |
| [15:19:19] | <bradner> | 10ish |
| [15:19:37] | <Isenberg> | |
| [15:19:43] | <Thatcher> | 6 |
| [15:19:48] | <Lucky> | Half a dozen, but that´s what´s good about Big Hook |
| [15:20:07] | <Gritton> | a couple |
| [15:20:26] | <Thatcher> | What is grey? |
| [15:21:59] | <Stout> | 4 |
| [15:48:27] | <bradner> | i.e. - execution in the morning focuses the mind |
| [16:51:42] | <Shapiro> | is this when we get the great stock tips? |
| [16:52:00] | <Robles> | It was last time. |
| [16:55:32] | <Robles> | The bottom will be found in the next one or two years. |
| [16:55:54] | <Robles> | I am not sure I agree. |
| [17:00:02] | <Clark> | what happens when the govt favors a different direction than the market´s needs? |
| [17:00:35] | <Clark> | and which market should we be listening to? |
| [17:02:25] | <Robles> | So is the bottom of the telecom industry coincident with their break up? |
| [17:06:03] | <Evslin> | The bottom is past but th dead won´r revive |
| [17:12:28] | <Berry> | So the fortune cookie makers go out of business too. |
| [17:13:14] | <Shapiro> | that assumes no competition |
| [17:14:35] | <Petrovic> | Did Roxane say "Microsoft"? |
| [17:16:02] | <Comstedt> | Right David, who are the stakeholders willing to bet? |
| [17:18:02] | <Forster> | Tournament theory? |
| [17:19:48] | <Forster> | Traditionally Enterprise/SMB gear is much cheaper than Service Provider Gear |
| [17:20:01] | <Forster> | Now, the two technologies are quite similar |
| [17:20:06] | <Shapiro> | intermodal competition will keep costs ow |
| [17:22:04] | <kaminski> | King Rat links: (scroll to bottom), |
| [17:22:49] | <Michalski> | bottom where, Peter? |
| [17:22:54] | <kaminski> | (try again) King Rat links: http://www.epinions.com/book_mu-2229844 (scroll to bottom), http://www.jamesclavell.net/king_rat.htm |
| [17:22:57] | <Forster> | Much lower opex can only come with different people in the service provider companies |
| [17:23:53] | <Michalski> | ah, thanks |
| [17:24:25] | <Forster> | Internet traffic growth: we see 100%/year |
| [17:25:54] | <Clark> | cutting costs b y 90% next year, then 90% the next, who can/will grant this savings? |
| [17:27:15] | <Cook> | Test message |
| [17:27:45] | <Shirky> | Odlyzko´s home page is at http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/ |
| [17:28:35] | <Cook> | Test... |
| [17:28:37] | <Evslin> | We have just proved the bottom. No one is investing so the expected return on investment is at a peak |
| [17:28:38] | <Shirky> | The paper "Internet growth: myth, reality, use and abuse is at http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/internet.growth.myth2.pdf |
| [17:29:46] | <Shapiro> | wanted to say hello later and reintroduce myself |
| [17:29:53] | <Cook> | Test |
| [17:30:20] | <bradner> | hi gordon |
| [17:31:17] | <Cook> | hi scott, does this go in everyones browser? i guess? |
| [17:32:10] | <nanda> | Yes it does. |
| [17:32:34] | <Clark> | gordon, your comments (as everyone others) are also displayed on the big screen (to your left) |
| [17:32:50] | <Gillmor> | No business model? Who pays for infrastructure? |
| [17:32:56] | <Gillmor> | Goverment. |
| [17:33:09] | <Michalski> | that´d be... us? |
| [17:33:12] | <Gillmor> | That is, taxpayers. |
| [17:33:26] | <Clark> | and, uh, widows and orphans that are the investors |
| [17:33:50] | <Gillmor> | We paid for the interstate highways. Same issue. |
| [17:34:50] | <Michalski> | This is a nicer way to say the third restaurant isn´t a restaurant |
| [17:34:57] | <Michalski> | (what Scott just said) |
| [17:35:25] | <Michalski> | Goooo-gin! Gooo-gin! |
| [17:35:36] | <Michalski> | (crowd roars) |
| [17:36:34] | <Michalski> | note also the Paradox of the Best Network (http://netparadox.com/) |
| [17:36:34] | <Freeburg> | So is that a problem? The business model itself is old -- |
| [17:36:50] | <Forster> | The other place infrastructure funding can come from.. |
| [17:37:07] | <Forster> | is the users -- organizations, large enterprises, etc. |
| [17:38:14] | <Michalski> | |
| [17:38:42] | <Michalski> | The magnitude of the backlash is evidence of the degree of change |
| [17:40:19] | <Clark> | hard to get rid of the old stuff |
| [17:41:25] | <bradner> | question - how much of the telephone revenue is taxes? |
| [17:41:42] | <Clark> | about 30% of my home bill |
| [17:44:32] | <Weinberger> | There are no ethics in capitalism, only rules. |
| [17:44:36] | <Michalski> | it´s not fixing itself |
| [17:44:46] | <Weinberger> | (The above was an overstatement in the interest of being aphoristic.) |
| [17:45:04] | <Clark> | capitalism rules? |
| [17:47:18] | <Michalski> | like paving over light rail systems across the US |
| [17:47:43] | <Clark> | Amtrak Internet Services? |
| [17:47:46] | <Michalski> | |
| [17:48:51] | <Clark> | Internet potholes |
| [17:49:11] | <Michalski> | Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 |
| [17:49:41] | <Weinberger> | |
| [17:50:02] | <Weinberger> | (I could swear I only hit Enter once. There´s a lot of doubling going on here.) |
| [17:52:50] | <kaminski> | another experience which led Eisenhower to push the highway system: http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu/dl/1919Convoy/1919documents.html (see memo from Eisenhower to Chief, Motor Transport), http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/1919ike.html |
| [17:53:15] | <Berry> | Isn´t the real issue the VALUE of the assets? It can go to virtually zero overnight. |
| [17:54:54] | <bradner> | big screen dead? |
| [17:55:09] | <Freeburg> | The value didn´t go to zero overnight - it went down over a long time, and was recognized overnight. |
| [17:57:03] | <Beckemeyer> | LBL? |
| [17:57:22] | <bradner> | mayme leveraged buy out? lbo |
| [17:57:27] | <kaminski> | yeah, LBO |
| [17:57:49] | <Weinberger> | Great link. Thanks Peter. (i.e., http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu/dl/1919Convoy/1919documents.html ) |
| [17:58:34] | <kaminski> | I´ve got a million of them :) |
| [17:58:42] | <Michalski> | yes, thanks! |
