| [18:02:23] | <Weinberger> | And if we know more sophisticated things, then what does Tuck teach us? |
| [18:02:24] | <bradner> | big screen back? |
| [18:02:31] | <Elin> | http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu/dl/1919Convoy/1919documents.html ) |
| [18:02:46] | <Elin> | (above link from Peter) |
| [18:03:08] | <kaminski> | time and tides :) |
| [18:04:47] | <bradner> | doom & that was the positive side |
| [18:05:28] | <Elin> | Test card - ignore -  |
| [18:06:34] | <kaminski> | a voice echoing in my mind, from when we were starting Yipes: our ex-Bell CTO, Kamran, saying, "You´re going to kill an RBOC!" |
| [18:06:49] | <bradner> | phone companies with regulatory power & clue shields up |
| [18:06:49] | <Elin> | test - card |
| [20:02:48] | <Aizu> | I am back! |
| [20:41:13] | <Elin> | |
| [20:41:31] | <Elin> | Look -- Bigger cards! |
| [20:41:34] | <Elin> | |
| [20:44:37] | <Robles> | |
| [20:44:56] | <Berry> | |
| [20:45:55] | <Berry> | Link tohttp://www.thenewrepublic.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020902&s=judis090202 a "sack Powell" article... |
| [20:46:25] | <Stout> |  its a family affair... |
| [20:48:16] | <Evslin> | is our pessimism an overdone reaction to our former pessimism |
| [20:49:20] | <Robles> | 5 Million? |
| [20:49:34] | <Evslin> | I meant pessimism is a reaction to former OPTIMISM |
| [20:49:49] | <kaminski> | comparisons of broadband deployments from Oct 2001: http://www.istori.com/log/archives/00000111.html |
| [20:49:58] | <Clark> | 5 Million = 12%? |
| [20:53:27] | <Berry> | Everquest is similar in the US, though probably not 13 hours a day |
| [20:55:41] | <Clark> | hey, US workers only go 8 hours if they have to. And everquest has a big enough ecomomy to support less than 13 hrs/day |
| [20:56:08] | <Thatcher> | I know a couple of men who are ruining their marriages by spending over 12 hours a day gaming.... |
| [20:57:00] | <Clark> | guys? (what a surprise.) |
| [20:58:32] | <Clark> | ahem. 13 hours a day leaves little time for paying work.  |
| [20:59:15] | <Thatcher> | Did I imply these "guys" were effective workers? |
| [21:02:38] | <Clark> | there´s that M word again... |
| [21:07:11] | <Stout> | X-KGB |
| [21:08:19] | <Stout> | Freedom |
| [21:10:33] | <Aizu> | please refer my paper on broadband at my website: |
| [21:10:41] | <Aizu> | http://www.anr.org, and go to English page |
| [21:10:54] | <Petrovic> | Would like to hear Azumi´s tales of innovation -- |
| [21:11:27] | <Shirky> | matt jones of the bbc is pushing the term "permanet" to mean real broadband |
| [21:12:00] | <Michalski> | just saw that pointer to jones´ permanet. moments ago |
| [21:12:03] | <Clark> | does matt jones mean permanet in terms of speed, or some other metric not implied by "perma-"? |
| [21:12:21] | <Stout> | Aizu, your site is down |
| [21:12:24] | <kaminski> | large-diaphragm condenser mics, Neumann U47, 797 Audio (Chinese): http://home.earthlink.net/~rongonz/home_rec/microphone.html |
| [21:12:44] | <Shirky> | he means always-on, always fast. the perma is less about speed than ubiquity |
| [21:12:55] | <Clark> | thanks |
| [21:13:34] | <Michalski> | what´s the name of the chinese company knocking off Cisco gear and more? |
| [21:13:35] | <Shirky> | site is up, its http://www.anr.org (no trailing period) |
| [21:13:40] | <Clark> | Anders means "real broadband" as having large bandwidth, not like ATT bandwidth (say) |
| [21:14:16] | <Thatcher> | Chinese company: HuaHwa |
| [21:14:52] | <Shirky> | right, jones does too, but he´s looking for a word that describes user experience in overall terms rahter than just talking about speed |
| [21:14:55] | <Beckemeyer> | I missed where all these people have >5mbit and look at each other |
| [21:15:03] | <Shirky> | without addressing consistency of connection or bi-directionality |
| [21:15:20] | <Michalski> | huahwa.com? |
| [21:17:05] | <Gillmor> | Full description of Chinese mike: http://www.edgemontv.com/microphones/mxl2001p.html |
| [21:19:17] | <Thatcher> | Sorry. Mispelled: Hua-Wei |
| [21:20:33] | <kaminski> | transliteration is always tricky |
| [21:21:50] | <Stout> | YES |
| [21:22:51] | <Berry> | Hua-Wei also makes kitchen appliances and optical transmission systems, if they´re the same company I´m thinking of. Talk about a product portfolio! /smile/ |
| [21:29:17] | <Elin> | testing.... |
| [21:29:43] | <Michalski> | thanks! They´re officially Huawei Technologies, http://www.huawei.com/ |
| [21:30:34] | <Thatcher> | Not a rag I like to reference: "Has Huawei Got Cisco´s Number? " http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=17338 |
| [21:31:15] | <Clark> | |
| [21:31:51] | <kaminski> | portal site: http://www.indiabandwidth.com/ |
| [21:34:26] | <Clark> | foreign spam already get too much |
| [21:35:15] | <Forster> | |
| [21:35:27] | <bradner> | ken is ignoring local telcom regulations |
| [21:36:51] | <bradner> | but the ITU will help by defining international settelments for ISP |
