← Thursday, September 4, 2008 |
| Sep 5 | 8:40 AM |
| Robin C. | why would nokia lose market share? to whom? |
| Sep 5 | 8:45 AM |
| Steve K. | Translated - we sell a universally needed product to a huge range of people across the globe and their tails aren't wagging. "Nokia expects the overall mobile device market in 2008 to be impacted by the weaker consumer confidence in multiple markets." |
| Sep 5 | 8:50 AM |
| Steve K. | Share loss is tough to parse (especially as Nokia may really be saying they expect the market to be down, but are being polite and Finnish about it). at the high end they probably got creamed by iPhone (one quarter impact) and are probably looking at another hit from blackberry's 3G "Bold." The big question is are they losing share in the low end, which would be big news. |
| Micah S. | if folks are looking for a great summary of how Palin-Giuliani's attack on community organizers is backfiring, check out http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/… |
| Micah S. | I'm driving to Tufts, and then back to NYC |
| Sep 5 | 8:55 AM |
| Steve K. | of course, if I read more before I posted... "These factors include Nokia's tactical decision to not meet certain aggressive pricing of some competitors, the overall market competition, including the entry markets, and the temporary impact of a slower ramp-up of a mid-range Nokia device. Nokia's strategy is to take market share only when the company believes it to be sustainably profitable in the longer term. Nokia has not broadly participated in the recent aggressive pricing activity - as it believes that the negative impact to profitability would outweigh any short term incremental benefits to device unit sales." |
| Sep 5 | 9:00 AM |
| Andy R. | Related to Nadia's wish, there's a vibrant effort under way to get designers and innovators to focus on a vast ignored market -- the 90 percent of the world that is not rich: http://www.ideorg.org/ also: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/11/science/… |
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| Sep 5 | 9:05 AM |
| Micah S. | The Internet objects to this. |
| Micah S. | Noun, verb, internet. |
| Doc S. | Steve: the Internet isn't a thing. It's like a slime mold. |
| Andy R. | Related to Holdren's statement, there's also "Wilson's Law" -- the Wilson being Edward O. Wilson, as described in this excerpt from a recent Dot Earth post: “If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left, you will also automatically save the physical environment, too,” he said. The restorative and balancing influences of functioning ecosystems are potent and vital. But, Dr. Wilson added, “If you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.” [http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/…] |
| Doc S. | the internet is good for getting bits from A to B... and it's a simple IO mechanism for tracking transaction behavior. |
| Doc S. | bad news: bye bye privacy |
| Doc S. | How is the Internet organized? It isn't. |
| Doc S. | It's an organizing body for the disorganized, for the organizing principle that works without hierarchy. |
| Micah S. | the only person i know who has something like privacy is Ralph Nader--he doesn't use a credit card, he doesn't have a home phone... |
| Sep 5 | 9:10 AM |
| Doc S. | the internet doesn't feel good becuase there's no person to talk to. |
| elliot n. | |
| elliot n. | which I was opposed to until breakfast when I realized it most accurately described the Internet |
| scrawford | limited parameters and protocols for energy information use |
| Doc S. | the internet and the web solve the first mile problem of organizing. |
| Doc S. | - Greg Elin |
| Sep 5 | 9:15 AM |
| Doc S. | the web allows us to build model services that compete with traditional ones. |
| elliot n. | greg, could you post a link to that text? |
| elliot n. | steve is an ICANN board member now |
| elliot n. | |
| Sep 5 | 9:20 AM |
| Micah S. | people who self-organize don't have responsibilities |
| elliot n. | tragedy of the commons in tonga |
| Doc S. | Lesson from Dewayne: Give people bandwidth, and they will use it all up. |
| elliot n. | nadia told a story last night about people buying cell minutes rather than food in the Philippines (I think) |
| Doc S. | PS2: a repurposed toy that's a way to get to the internet... people will crawl on their bellies to pay for entertainment. |
| elliot n. | or communication |
| Steve K. | Hmmm... One Laptop per child. another good example of well-meaning upper-middle class people coming up with a great idea to save the world and then finding the world isn't intersted in being saved that way. |
| Doc S. | 3 years ago we came to a consensus that we are fucked. Lesson: take care of yourself first, then company, then everything else. |
| David I. | |
| elliot n. | first lesson of healing in world of warcraft, keep yourself alive, keep the tank alive, keep everyone else alive! |
| Sep 5 | 9:25 AM |
| Doc S. | Dewayne: I'm going to do this now. Klatu is here. |
| Doc S. | Look inside yourself and ask if you're ready to act. |
| Steve K. | Great way to track the US election. These sorts of markets are almost always accurate than polls. http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/ |
| Doc S. | We all have energy slaves. That's power. |
| Doc S. | Steve: Everything is incremental. The incremental change is the only thing that matters in a system. |
| Robin C. | we need new platforms for incremental change that can move things in the right direction |
| Sep 5 | 9:30 AM |
| Doc S. | who are the peopoe having incremental change? India and China. |
| Robin C. | incremental change on current platforms aren't going the place we want to do |
| Doc S. | RThey are taking a model that we know is broken, and applying it. Because systematically that's all they know. And that we've modeled. |
| Doc S. | Hel pthem find a way to not buy billinos of cars. |
| Robin C. | They want what we have. We have to change what we do -- model the right behavior -- and then they will want that. |
| Robin C. | There are so many people working on trying to get China to avoid what we've done |
| elliot n. | robin ++ |
| Doc S. | How can we help them stop smoking too? That's another thing we've modeled for them, and that we've moved on from. |
| Tom F. | I'm with Robin - we need to build our own light rail systems. |
| scrawford | micah!!! |
| Robin C. | See carlotta pereze's theories -- people follow what the affluent say they want. New paradigms are created when the affluent change what they want |
| elliot n. | china has already mobilized politically in terms of environment WAY beyond what is happening in the US. a dictatorship will do that for you. |
| Robin C. | I also just spend 2 weeks in India where people don't use top sheets, or towels, or hot water, and take showers with one bucket full of water. And that is middle class people. Saying that we need to work on them maddens me. |
| Andy R. | Related to Steve's rant, there are quite a few people trying to work with China, Mexico, and other fast-growing countries to avoid our mistakes (particularly on transportation). Lee Schipper (Berkeley) is one. BinBin Jiang (moving to Yale) is another. It's tiny compared to the forces already in motion, but it's happening: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/weekinre… |
| Doc S. | Micah: we have a political structure thats designed to absorb shocks and not doing anything proactive. |
| Doc S. | It's really easy to block things. |
| scrawford | micah: what about political change - let's be optimistic about power of the net. |
| elliot n. | no is WAY easier than yes |
| Katrin | Hi all, greetings from the train to NYC. |
| elliot n. | hehe. have a nice trip! |
| Doc S. | what used to be capital intensive is now people intensive. |
| scrawford | micah: politics escaping control of professionals |
| Sep 5 | 9:35 AM |
| Katrin | Elliot - it was domestic workers in Zimbabwe and Botswana who forego food for cell phone minutes if they have to.... |
| elliot n. | thanks :-) |
| scrawford | micah: case study is opposition research, now distributed |
| Doc S. | we're experiencing distributed opposition research. |
| scrawford | micah: net forces issues into the open, facilitated competition |
| Katrin | And Nokia's drop in revenue - their growth has been in emerging markets and rising food prices are affecting sales there significantly, as does, in some countries, saturation... |
| Katrin | And amen on the OLPC. What a disaster. |
| scrawford | micah: but still a challenge to bring people into policymaking process |
| Doc S. | The policy making process is still controlled. It's not open. Obama shares tasks with peoploe, but not power. |
| Doc S. | they ask people for input, but created no place for an open discussion. |
| scrawford | micah: so has politics *really* changed? it still could... |
| elliot n. | not many models for successful open model policy-type discussions |
| scrawford | elliot: hey, you're an entrpreneur! don't be dubitante |
| elliot n. | there has definitely been some inside of ICANN but it is VERY hard. people seem more interested in the right to affect policy than actually doing the hard work |
| scrawford | elliot: icann isn't perhaps the perfect leading example |
| elliot n. | susan: it is people not tools that are the weak link imo |
| Doc S. | to reach low information voters, you still need tv. |
| Sep 5 | 9:40 AM |
| scrawford | more people involved will help . problem is having a few personalities that are perceived as having all the power. plus better tools. |
| Doc S. | the Net is TiVo for politics. |
| Doc S. | sound blast wins over sound bites |
| Steve K. | I am thinking "darn, I wish I had talked to Micah last night." really cool stuff and a real example of where "the internet" is changing the world. |
| Andy R. | |
| elliot n. | I am looking for a great domain name for a site to let us know the difference between trading a bottle of water for a glass of tap water and riding a bike for a trip to the grocery store (for example). |
| Andy R. | a chat RANT> photo above is kids in Guinea whohave to walk to an airport parking lot to read their assignments at night. each of those kids is a curious mind impeded in its journey toward being an innovator or teacher or leader or... |
| elliot n. | of course the data will need to come from somewhere else! |
| Micah S. | Andy, that is an amazing photo -- where is it from? |
| Juliana R. | The net is also being used (at least in the case of Kenya) for accountability - http://www.mzalendo.com is a wordpress hacked site that tracks bills and information about the Kenyan Parliament. |
| Juliana R. | founded by one of JZ's students too. |
| scrawford | andy, have more stories like that? |
| Sep 5 | 9:45 AM |
| Robin C. | elliot: filtering the green.com |
| Robin C. | greenfilter.com |
| Micah S. | Juliana +++ more details please!! |
| Andy R. | |
| Robin C. | chilling, where is that, and why? |
| Andy R. | This is a funeral parlor in Manaus, Brazil. As long as there are places in the world where coffins come in all sizes -- like Starbucks cups, we have work to do. Message: IMAGES matter. |
| Micah S. | Andy +++ |
| Doc S. | Wow. thanks, Andy. Strong stuff. |
| scrawford | visualization message is the key one for this BigHook |
| Steve K. | Andy r> you mean children don't die here? or we just are less willing than the brazilians to acknowledge it? (I am being intentionally obtuse, understand you are making a different point but...) |
| scrawford | group work, feedback information, pictures, narratives that trigger action. |
| Doc S. | gridkit./. much more do-able than carbon sequestration. |
| Doc S. | juliana: when you want to change somebody's life, it starts with power. |
| scrawford | and luckily, the graphical networked screen is pretty good at aggregated visualizations - and spreading pictures. |
| Doc S. | the moment we can solve for power... |
| Sep 5 | 9:50 AM |
| Steve K. | re power: one of the big inhibitors of PC use in india is very unreliable power supply. Can't plug a PC into the wall with any confidence. |
| Nadia E. | Robin: I agree with you. Would you be interested in looking at how to get that boll rolling on having the lifestyles of the affluent visibly change? |
| Doc S. | david: there is a scenario where rebuilding the grid and rebuilding the internet go together. |
| Andy R. | Related to "grid kit," this matches the growing concept of "microfranchise" -- a step beyond microloans. Scojo Foundation has developed what amounts to "eyeglass store in a box". Why not larger scale (village scale?) power generation? http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/23/bus… |
| Doc S. | Pano: we are the cause and the effect. |
| Nadia E. | too much food, too little exercise, too little food too much exercise. |
| Nadia E. | A good way of attempting to combat ills is to workwith tandems |
| Nadia E. | ? |
| elliot n. | robin: greenfilter.com is taken. when I have some premium alternatives I will post them in chat (if I get them soon enough) or to the list if later |
| Steve K. | On light rail. Martin Geddes (I think) had a great rantabout light rail really just being a socially acceptable bus system. Buses have all sorts of negative baggage while rail has positive emotional baggage. SO we spend (relatively) more $$ on rail systems (which upper middle class people will ride) rather than expanding bus systems (which those same people won't ride). Maybe the solution is busses that "feel" like light rail? |
| Juliana R. | Indeed Andy - that would be highly transformative. there is a community scale power generation project http://lightingupkenya.org/2008/07/unido-o… . more support for initiatives such as this. |
| Steve K. | that or train the bus drivers better. I hate the stop-start myself. FYI, I walk to work. |
| Sep 5 | 9:55 AM |
| elliot n. | global agriculture is a big global fuckup with farm subsidies that have more political deadweight than energy! |
| Steve K. | elliot n. agree! |
| elliot n. | definitely symptom. I feel like for me that has crystallized here as overconsumption |
| elliot n. | as the cause |
| elliot n. | industry revolution created opportunity for over consumption. and that is a good thing. it is just man learning to deal with it that is the challenge |
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| Chris M. | Clay Shirky's "Here Comes Everybody" points to the net as the beginning of the post-organizational era. |
| Sep 5 | 10:00 AM |
| Doc S. | Scheur? Social Acceleration of Time |
| elliot n. | barbara's call for laws presupposes that public company (and the need for extreme capital formation) is necessary! wish I had a card left |
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| Nadia E. | elliot: The EU-subsidised dairy and meat industry in Sweden is responsible for the overconsumption of milk and meat products. "Milk gives strong bones" is a long standing and lobbying "health" campaign funded by said parties |
| Micah S. | Barbara +++ |
| elliot n. | nadia: AGREE. you should see the dairy industry in canada. having cheese with unpasteurized milk is a greater crime than pot! |
| Steve K. | FYI - great book to understand how the market works in reality. Nice slice of life/history and gets you into the mindset of a stock trader. |
| elliot n. | (not that either should be a crime) |
| Steve K. | Edwin S. Lefevre, Reminiscences of a Stock Operator |
| Chris M. | The unfettered power of capital holders in the early Trusts has been altered before--by labor laws on behalf of employees and antitrust laws on behalf of consumers. So it's not inconceibalbe that legal changes could again change the balance of power--but it's a lot harder without a specific, organized group to benefit. |
| Doc S. | An effort toward personal managment as a counterbalance -- and a way to engage positivley -- corporate power: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_Relati… |
| Doc S. | or just http://projectvrm.org. |
| Doc S. | I'd rant about it, but I waited too long. |
| Doc S. | Robin: a platform for bulk buying power... |
| Sep 5 | 10:05 AM |
| Doc S. | Pepper: using technology to what you can do in your home with tech and internet based on open IP standards... then you have a lot of players who are in a position to help manage your own power consumption, carbon footprint with low-cost tech that's standards based and open source and cheap. |
| Doc S. | Steve: require that everybody hsas one of thsoe stupid smart thermostat that nobody knows how to program. make sure it comes pre-programmed. (Brough says they already are.) |
| Doc S. | Greg: find the five people who are going to save the world |
| Doc S. | how do you pull signal out of noisy environment? use that to help people find each other. |
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| Don J. | Here is my thermostat, it has a web server, very easy to program: http://www.proliphix.com/ |
| Robin C. | Barbara and corporate laws. There is a new category of company in UK that is a cross between nonprofit and forprofit. i.e. the mission of the company can have social attributes and overrides corporate profit making goals. I bet Andy knows the name of this new entity? |
| Sep 5 | 10:10 AM |
| Nadia E. | Elliot, Robin & Pepper : Im guessing that the vast overconsumption is related to our inability to self-regulate. We need structure and social accountability is the greatest emotional incentive for curbing certain behaviours. If not minimising the energy costs is made to be be considered declassé and vulgar within the social network that´s one concrete element that needs to be in place. The other is applications for helping people to make decisions that reinforce their sense of integrit... |
| Nadia E. | integrity |
| Robin C. | yes, within this social group, you could position yourself again the group's averages, and also offer up status signals within that group. |
| Sep 5 | 10:35 AM |
| Steve K. | did micah mention a book on the problems of managing obama-campaign-like organizations? |
| Sep 5 | 10:40 AM |
| Nadia E. | On changing orgnisations. I have a proposal! |
| Micah S. | Steve--not a book, an academic paper. |
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| Sep 5 | 10:45 AM |
| Doc S. | the humnan condition rests on three pillars: human, economic, environmental. A 3-legged stool. |
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| scrawford | "two cultures" is available in an edition that has later reflections by Snow re the reaction to the initial piece |
| Micah S. | steve, here's the link http://newpolcom.rhul.ac.uk/politics-web-2… |
| Steve K. | micah - do you have a link? |
| Steve K. | doh! |
| Nadia E. | We need a social network that acts as a support system the members of which simultaneously try to push through common agreed upon initiatives/information throughout their respective organisations. Employees at different companies, talk to one another. Managers talk to one another. Ceos talk to one another. Our individual loyalty to our social networks are higher than to organisations. But if the organisations individuals are changing their attitudes as individuals, then the organisation changes. |
| Brough T. | Frequently see better prices on older books at ABE Books, e.g. Challenge... at http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResu… |
| Sep 5 | 10:50 AM |
| Nadia E. | Leveraging social networks for tangible results, Dr. Robin Teiglad, Stockholm School of economics: |
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| Micah S. | I am looking for people who are blogging, or want to blog, about the whole array of ideas, efforts and innovators in the e-govt, e-democracy, socnets for social change space. Please send them my way: msifry at gmail.com |
| Doc S. | we have to be realistic about the future of technology in terms of scale and pace. |
| Doc S. | the aveage lifetime of a power plant, a pipeline, drilling rigs... 40 years. |
| Sep 5 | 10:55 AM |
| Doc S. | the growth of energy worldwide is 2% per year, or doubling every 30 years. huge amounts of physical infrastucture that needs to be turned over and replaced. 80% of the energy system is fossil fuels. |
| Doc S. | 4 choices: on supply side, reduce the amont of energy required for delivery. on supply side, nuclear, renwable and advanced bio |
| Doc S. | 3.5 is replace coal and oil with nat gas. |
| Doc S. | if you want the world to be aon a trajevctory to stableize at 280 ppm, the median increase would be 3° celcius. Now we;re at 385 co2 . 430 of co2 equiv. but particles cooling take us back to 385. black soot are being canceled by reflecting particles. meanwhile, sulfates and nitrates have an effect on human health. |
| Nadia E. | blogrant on organisations, employment conditions and general lifestyle: http://www.exstockholmer.blogspot.com/ |
| Sep 5 | 11:00 AM |
| Doc S. | most conclude that 450 is the best conceivably achievable... |
| Sep 5 | 11:00 AM |
| Doc S. | how much do we have to deflect from BAU to get to the emissions we want? |
| Doc S. | to hold temp increase, 2-3° at 450 ppb, midrange projection... |
| Doc S. | you have to do, to be on the trajectory, 9-9 billion tons below that. |
| Doc S. | 6-9 |
| Doc S. | to avoid a billion tons of carbon, 2 billion cars need to get 60mpg. That gets you 1/6 of 1/9 of whatyou need. |
| Doc S. | if a million 2 meg windmills, that gets you 2 billion tons. if every building in the world uses 25% less, that gets you a billio n gons... |
| Doc S. | tons. |
| Sep 5 | 11:05 AM |
| Doc S. | most life scientists are pessimistic. |
| Doc S. | the framework convention on climate change, ratified in 1992, says the goal, all accepted, embodied in law, is to avoid dangerous human ineterference in the climate system. we already have that. |
| Micah S. | i want a transcript of John's last 4 paragraphs!! |
| elliot n. | international law is an empty vessel (with the SMALL possible exception of maritime law) |
| Steve K. | Per Odlyzko - why forecasts (like the business as usual one) are wrong. "Thanks to rising fuel prices and wage inflation in China, it's actually more expensive to manufacture and ship electronics across the Pacific for the American market than it would be to produce them domestically, according to a report from The McKinsey Quarterly. But iPhone assembly plants won't be coming to a depressed rust-belt community near you, because it's cheaper still to produce those electronics in a Mexican maquiladora." |
| Doc S. | me +, Micah. tried to keep up, but... |
| Steve K. | Anecdotally, we are seeing US companies stop offshoring and in some cases bring production back onto the north american continent. buy mexican stocks? (grin) |
| Doc S. | deglaciation has been progressing, but there have been at least two centuries in which the seas rose 5 (feet, meters?). Doesn;'t fit any models. |
| Sep 5 | 11:10 AM |
| Doc S. | the most important single thing that the US can do to get china moving is to do something itself. |
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| Doc S. | the chinese are better informed, level for level, than their US counterparts. |
| Doc S. | the industrialized countries have created most of the problems we have up until now. china will take over, but... |
| Don J. | So "Do as I say, not as I do" isn't going to be super effective with the Chinese? :-) I've re-learned that particular lesson as both a manager and a parent |
| Chris M. | Micah, here's some of it: http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/public… |
| elliot n. | steve's implication is the chinese care about fucking the us. to me that is a fundamental misunderstanding of chinese culture. the points john is making about advantage for china rather than disadvantage to us is more effective. |
| Sep 5 | 11:15 AM |
| Steve K. | elliot n. the whole olympics show was arund a deep chinese desire to surpass the west. tap into that and we have a real motivating power. |
| Steve K. | Intersting tech news. At what point will you get a (subsidized) $99 PC with your mobile data subscription just like you get a subisidezed cellphone today " Dell’s new tiny dancer is packing an integrated 3G card. Talk about easter eggs! While there isn’t much detail to be found from Dell, the fact that Vodaphone has already announced that it will be offering the Mini 9 leads us to believe that we’re talking about a tri-band card here. Presumably it will play nicely in Europe and here in the US we’re going to assume that it’s packing 850 MHz for use on AT&T’s high-speed networks. Considering you can now pick up a unit for as little as $99, the story just keeps getting better as far as we’re concerned." |
| Steve K. | These mini-notebooks are very cool - willow has one in the other room if you want to have a look. |
| Doc S. | the internet is already playing a role. education.. ancy's blog, ?.org... |
| Desiree Z. | |
| Doc S. | need to address in ways that don't involve sacrifice. There is much a priori belief that the only way to participate is through sacrifice. |
| Andy R. | A very important question is, is there a way to get some portion of Venture Capital to push beyond the 3-year payoff norm? (that's vital if VC is to play a role in innovation as opposed to simply pulling a promising tech out of lab shelf and into market? |
| Micah S. | fascinating that John thinks Internet's # 1 role is as education accelerator |
| Doc S. | decentralization made feasible by internet infrastructure... |
| David I. | Anyone needing boarding passes printed, please email copy to elmaddog@capecod.net |
| Sep 5 | 11:20 AM |
| Doc S. | if you take a generous view of what the feds spend, it's about $3 billion per year. |
| Doc S. | $50 billion in revenue from auctioning permits, projected. |
| Doc S. | we could triple energy R&D. |
| Doc S. | both mccain and obama are serious about converting the US from a laggard to a leader |
| Sep 5 | 11:25 AM |
| Steve K. | RE: "VC is to play a role in innovation as opposed to simply pulling a promising tech out of lab shelf and into market?" But that IS the VC's role. no more. no less. highly optimized for it. |
| Sep 5 | 11:30 AM |
| Steve K. | Per dave's comment. cap and trade has generated a HUGE number of dubious boondoggle projects to "offset" emissions PLUS a huge number of yuppie trader jobs shuffling the credits around. Not saying it is necessarily bad, but there is a bad odor around those markets |
| Micah S. | # of times in McCain's acceptance speech that he mentioned climate or environment or global warming: 0 |
| Steve K. | One reason I think Obama/McCain are paying attention is guys like T Boone Picens and Vinod Khosla are seeing big bucks in the energy market. Just FYI "all" the VC money is going into solar (and almost none into communications equipment by the way). Silicon valley is on a huge, deadly serious kick to divert that money/startup machine toward alternative energy. |
| Micah S. | # of times Obama did: 1 |
| Robin C. | Two years ago Ernie Moniz told me he was totally focused on supply side, and didn't care about demand side (i.e. energy efficiency) solutions. |
| Robin C. | IN the last few years at MIT, he has come arond a bit, and had to work more with city planning and architects types so he is seeing other paths as well. |
| Sep 5 | 11:40 AM |
| Andy R. | There's an ongoing and fairly informed discussion on Geo-Engineering in this googlegroup: http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering |
| Steve K. | this injectingsulfates into the atmosphere thing sounds like are REAAAAALLLY bad idea. |
| Steve K. | sort've the environmental equivalent of introducing a foreign species to cntrol a pest, and then getting over-run. |
| Andy R. | GREAT Youtube video 'explaining' geo-engineering here: http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/… |
| Micah S. | size of Facebook group "We are all community organizers" has doubled since yesterday http://snurl.com/3ncfa |
| scrawford | joining that group! |
| Sep 5 | 11:45 AM |
| Steve K. | DOE was really a way to avoid giving nuclear weapons to the pentagon. WOW. Someone back then was thinking smart. |
| Andy R. | Great to have been here! Please contribute ideas to Dot Earth. I want to create and promote a tool kit for enlightening and linking communities on energy/climate/one-planet-living that can be applied and promoted. Please help me do this. : ) |
| Sep 5 | 11:50 AM |
| scrawford | a big thing companies funding bighook could do would be to fund the development of the tool Andy R. is suggestions. |
| scrawford | suggesting |
| Doc S. | Unrleated, but interesting: George Lakoff on Sarah Palin... http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/02 |
| Richard W. | hmm, good idea, scrawford.... |
| scrawford | I hear google has some cash. |
| Robin C. | I'm hoping that the social marketing website tool we are talking about creating, first addressing energy efficiencies, will be such a place. |
| Sep 5 | 11:55 AM |
| Micah S. | more funny politics news: RNC used a photo of Walter Reed Middle School,not Walter Reed Medical Center, as the main backdrop for McCain's speech last night: bloggers sniffed out the error: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/213806.php distributed research in action. |
| Nadia E. | Robin C. If I can contribute in any way towards making it a roaring success my Skype nic is : Choco.canel |
| Robin C. | memorable. |
| elliot n. | doc = prince! |
| scrawford | micah - that's amazing |
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| Juliana R. | Thank you!! |
| Sep 5 | 12:00 PM |
| Micah S. | I have copies of "Rebooting America--Ideas for Redesigning American Democracy for the Internet Age," with me (and in my car) if anyone wants one... |