TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2014

Scribed by Sascha & Matt (following in the tradition of: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101102120504/muppet/images/5/5d/Statler%26Waldorf5thseason.jpg )

-- Reports back
Report-back from:
    Policy table (trusting the untrustable): DC sucks... shaping cultural expectations is our challenge; debates around corruption/workarounds & lessons from history, Americentrism 
    Unmonestary: fear & trust are mutually exclusive; Maslovian hierarchy of needs re: basic needs must be met prior to people being able to trust; time needed to build alternatives

-- Nadia's Video
NADIA's VIDEO -- aka, Love Letter to an NSA Agent (aka, loving how speedy US Broadband is!!!)
-- What do we know about Trust?
- Reliabiliity
- Predictability
- Transparency
- Accountabiilty
- Reciprocity
- Shared Expectations
- Conceptual Coherance
- We want to interact with what we trust (engagement)
- Economic Driver
- System receptive to new or changing ideas
- Understanding of incentives
- Understanding of intent
- Belief
- Breakable business models (around bad outcomes)
- Alignment of expectations
- Simplicity
-Truth
- Reliability about following a set of transparent rules
- Belief that participation/interaction will yield desired outcomes (expectation that sometimes you win)
- Mutual aid
- Deeply linked to power
- Trust that "the guy's" an asshole (trust in persistent characteristics)
- Blind faith/knowing without knowing/seeing without seeing
- Dispute resolution mechanism
- Trusting ourselves
- Faith
- Antidote to violence
- Empathic understanding of a human
- Distributed defense (against bad outcomes)
- Personal evaluation/primitive instinct
- People/things/entities that are like me in some critical respect (alike, not other)
- Easily spoofed
- Institutional credentialing
- Currency/Social currency
- Cortex v. limbic system (is a brain function/state of mind)
- Clear/explicit narrative around control
- Illogical/human
- act of desparation
- Is a construction that is carefully crafted
- All trust is provision/contextual/can be withdrawn
- Once lost is hard to regain
- Reflection on personal integrity

-- DISTRUST/Untrusted Entities
- FCC
- Inconsistent
- Formalistic 
- Function of power differential (it doesn't need me)
- Makes it hard to interact
- Destabilizing relationship/interaction
- Lack of legitimacy
- Violence-inducing
- Sure to start arguments/conflicts
- Creates high transaction costs
- Is a closed system (focused on itself)
- Dysfunctional
- Confusing 
- increases distrust (cyclical)
- Self-reinforcing (positive feedback loop)/reciprocal 
- is a survival mode
- Begets polarization
- Consistently creates Market Faliure
- Is old ideas that have been smashed
- Prioritizes self-interest over social good (poorly)
- limits potential
- Is a function of societal growth
- Wisdom
- healthy/unhealthy
- Tit-for-tat (prisoner's dilemma vs. nash equilibrium) (see Schneier's Book, Liars & Outliers) 
-Religion antidote
- Stressful
- fight or flight
- A gradient, not a dichotomy

-- DISCUSSION (about trust)
- Building & disappating based upon experience
- Trust (buy) but Verify http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9VGZjBQHr0s/S8ROBzVEtKI/AAAAAAAAE94/tLwUvVH2tnM/s640/hitch.jpg
- Tragedy of the Commons
- percent of good action
- Reputation is a dimension of trustworthiness: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/hotels.png
- observation, surveillance, information gathering, (not surveillance, but research)
- To build Trust or to Earn Trust?
is there a inbetween 


-- HOW DO WE BUILD TRUST:
- Transparent motivations
- Engender trust (starting from trust builds trust)
- Sharing
- Can't be asked for
- Reputation
- Consistency and reliability
- Actions follow words
- Mutual vulnerability
- Herd instinct
- Power redistribution
- Demostration of ability to self-regulate/self-control
- Experience http://www.adamzyglis.com/images/cartoon771.jpg 
- Validation
- Governance piece builds trust (ability to change the rules) -- agency/efficacy - Input
- Start small & grow (e.g., a trusted space)
- Smartly applied propaganda builds trust
- Charismatic Sociopaths
- Rules (penalties for misbehavior) Can not be absolute?
- Built by narrative (rep, rules, experience)
- Trust IS a narrative: http://www.michaelmccurry.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/trust-cartoon-300x270.gif
- Blindly following rules 1. rules need to flexible 2. very little can build trust more than not following the rules -enoss
- Trust comes from following specified protocols (known agreed upon specified protocols)
- the *Expectation* that following protocols will work is important
- Shared Norms
- Trust Family "inner circle" or "community" "culturally learned phenonmenon": http://www.toonpool.com/user/997/files/psychiatrist_trust_yourself_273725.jpg
- Is trust good & mistrust bad? 
- Critical thinking
-Trust isn't always a good thing
- Judiciously going against type (against expectations)
- Trust builds trust, in that it's self-reinforcing. In a context where trust slips, there can be a spiraling down of trust relationships.
- Elinor "Lin" Ostrom rules for maintaining a commons: http://onthecommons.org/magazine/elinor-ostroms-8-principles-managing-commmons & 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom
- 8 Principles for Managing a Commons
- Trust is a shortcut (allows us to reduce time suck)
- Is a necessity (we cannot all be domain experts in everything)
- Trust is a Faustian Bargain (e.g., Google -- http://www.chinahearsay.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/surrender-monkey.jpg ).
- Trust is compromise (Based on one's experience and necessity)
- Trust is a multi-layered thing and depends on context: http://www.truthdig.com/images/made/images/cartoonuploads/trust_590_396.jpg
- A notion of confidence in a system vs. trust in people and their actions: http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/mvb-org-chart.png
- An expectation of a continued behaviour = Reliability? Doesn't mean trust.
- Humans are wired to understand trust (we are inherently empathic); we make evaluations fluidly

-- David asks What's the difference between trusting a human entity and trusting a device system/network?
- Understanding the stakeholders that are part of the system
- There is no code immune from being abused... It has a relationship with the person that wrote it.
- Banks & ATMs: different banks use different algorythms to determine fraud: http://ashfield24.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/dilbert_bank_phishing.gif
- Trust may be a constant re-evaluation of the relationship... ie- Feedback loop.
- Trust is an organic/dynamic ecosystem
- Nadia reports to larger group on chat side-conversation up to this point...@susie b
- A conversation of trust must include a discussion of class

-- WHO/WHAT DO WE TRUST THE MOST:
- Ourselves
- in God
- Spouse
- Physics/gravity
- Friends
- Snark(nado?)
- (Close) Friends -- http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-663HFTZehw/TCoXmBMnbKI/AAAAAAAAAT8/mbkUWXCzx_k/s1600/chickentrust.jpg
- Book: Thinking Fast and Slow
http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374533555

-- Break

-- Music

11:15 Scott Bradner gives talk on Internet Architecture

GNU net: the internet is broken
youbroketheinternet.org
https://gnunet.org/strint2014gnunet

Netheads vs Bellheads http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/4.10/atm.html
Strowger swtich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strowger_switch
(Please don't erase the links I post - if you have an issue with them, talk to me. - Jon L.) 

- David I talks about how to encrypt IP packets with keys
- Quizes about hourglass model issued to attendees
- Pepper ads to Scott's discussion:
    Circuit-oriented control
    $4Trillion in voice revenue vs $400M in other stuff
    Industry was built around voice metric was minutes
    Problem is that it is a cultural problem -- sell minutes of voice on networks -- this is a disconnect.
- Table topics
   Scott B - more about Internet Architecture
   Pepper - Internet Governance Forum
   Robin - Platforms and who controls/finances them
   ???? (pls fill in name) - Steps to build a secure network
   
-- Music
-- Break

Paul Garrin currently has standing in an anti-trust suit against ICANN.
"Net pioneer needs help in fight for rights to .nyc"
http://thevillager.com/2012/05/17/net-pioneer-needs-help-in-fight-for-rights-to-nyc/
[another alt-root guy who is trying to own words outside of the process] 
Predates ICANN.  Not sure I agree.
'Master of His Domain Paul Garrin is fighting to keep his Internet registry firm alive and the Web from being dominated by big business'
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fsb/fsb_archive/2001/04/01/300180/index.htm (2001)
[don't know if it belongs here but most of the alt-root efforts predate ICANN. a single, authoritative root is the one thing canonical on the Internet]
Here is the twitter profile https://twitter.com/namedotspace
'Originators-operators of generic Top-Level Domains since 1996.

A US example of zero rating
http://www.t-mobile.com/offer/free-music-streaming.html

-- Break

Aiming for transparency to build trust
media appearances on TV and radio
working with people overseas to put pressure on US
unconstitutional - provides motivation
speaking with USGov officials
most don’t understand what is actually happening
has not run across people who cannot believe that this is happening in USGov
scheduled to talk to group prior to vote to defund NSA - Amash, et al. Obama called House Dems to prevent the meeting 

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Matt Rantanen

Tribal Digital Village 

- opportunity for community get on the Internet and buy awesome HP products
- build wireless network to 17 tribal communities
- 100 munis connect on carrier grade network
- 500 homes connected
- historically disadvantaged community benefits of greater opportunities to get jobs, improve education, etc.
- needed for getting federal grants for subsidizing gov ops
- ability to self-govern, establishing self-determination 

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Sascha Meinrath

-  XLAB!
- been working in DC on telecom / surveillance, etc - defensive work
- Sascha wants to go ahead - 3-5 years preparing 
- built relationships over the  years
- stressed some of those relationships with unpopular stances that over time became the appropriate choice
- XLAB composed of people who have each other’s backs in the real shit
- You don’t know who your fiends are until you are down and out
- Buidling a network  with a better idea now of who to trust based on past experiences
Provides a service that breaks down the untrustworthy processes in and exposes the problems

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Christopher Mitchell

- Municipal Broadband Networks (Community)
        particular national ones
- issue : recognizing issues are diff. muni owned
- Strategy for good
- Expert on finance and setup…
- Keep the info on the networks.
- end user for extra level of security
- muni’s are less likely to allow unauthorized access because they are gov.
- They don’t have the resources to refuse 
-Trust: They are operating on a trusted network because it’s a muni network.
        Chris’ work documents the reality and functionality of the muni networks to dispel myths and provide certainty about the value and quality of these networks   
        
16:00 Nadia Lead's a "Group-of-3" Exercise

-- How this exercise works
Groups of 3 meet and each person talks for 5 minutes. Roles are as follows: one is speaker, one is prober, and one is note-taker. Each person talks about the role that trust plays in what they are currently doing. After 5 minutes the roles of the 3 switch. After everyone has had a chance to talk commonailties are identified and one person reports out to the larger group.

-- Reports out from the Groups-of-3 exercise follow ...

- Matt R. Bill Binney, Sascha Meinrath, Chris Mitchell, & Bill Binney

- Scott Bradner, Art Gaylord, and Hartley Hoskins

- Matt Simons, Rick, Harold
* Attacking the idea of the neutrality of technology - technologists have a responsibility to deepen their understanding of the social context in which they are deploying their technology and make more responsible design decisions. @TW we demand this of our technologists and work hard to raise awareness so they are better able to do it. @Google Rick is questioning the (simplistic) internal view that "market success is validation of trustworthiness" and asking whether Google can or should aspire to a higher standard.

* Encouraging engagement and participation in political/policy/decisionmaking processes, especially by people who have valid historical reasons for distrusting those processes. Seeking to increase engagement at the citizen, institution and organization level - over the period of time required to make progress - is at the core of what PK does. @TW we make exceptional efforts to create a space where marginalized voices have an equal or even preferential seat at the table and can see how their perspective influences the direction we take as a company operationally an as related to our social and political engagement. We had a shared sense that if people stop engaging and beocme cynical about whether it matters, we will lose the ability to evolve and improve and fix problems without violence or other extreme disruption.

- Fritz, Sean, Robin
Fritz: documentary on Bill Binney
How do we counter a lie?
the narrative around NSA is security and not another 9/11 
story is structuring our thinking, impacting our belief system
-- the editing process is manipulation of facts
-- shown as a man of integrity, who used integrity, to stand up to others
-- betrayal of our cores
shaping the narrative around values that we share.

the great divide is not between right and left, colors,
empathy disconnect

Sean: PR
spiritual traditions: you can't know the truth about something until you have heard the story of the people who have suffered the most. Can I awaken that sense of empathy?
affirmation engenders some
always listen to the other side -- have a forum (for discussion)
who is profiting? ask it -- transparency. Be upfront,
creator of the narrative ideally needs to believe it.
trust in long term must be based in truth
in short-term, can be convinced into believing anything

Robin:book (Peers Inc)
trust is enabling the sharing of assets,(which makes for efficient use of resources, important for a sustainable world) so I am deeply interested in this
thinking about trust between unequal power positions (platform & peers)
illuminate/codify the relationships & dependencies of one to the other
and show how the greatest benefits rise from transparency, empowerment of the lesser power 

- Andrew Crocker, Andy Maffei, Pat Kennedy
Pat  us building systems for monitoring heavy industry – customers who are sensitive about their information – refineries 
Built a trusting relationship over 30+ years
Andrew is working with the EFF versus the NSA
Andy has an Interest in self -- how we look at what we talk about. Holding assumptions in front of us as we interact and conduct dialogue (drawing on the work of David Bohm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm)
Commonality: The differences in degree of person-al-ization in our interactions. Pat has developed long-term relationships with large corporations by developign strong person-to-person relationships that last a long time. Andrew has been dealing with largely anonymous organizations with not so many (any?) long-term person-to-person trusted relationships with people inside these organizations. Andy is looking at the subjective aspects of how an individual interacts with the world and others.

- Alexa O'Brien, Susie Cagle, and Eleanor Saitta
All three of us are working on transparency, agency, and efficacy of social introspection, society-wide, and on underminining existing gatekeepers to social self-determination.  Susie is working as a local journalist in a town trapped between corrupt police and city administration and corrupting Silicon Valley money, and also looking at novel ways to perform mutual aid/unionization between freelance and independent journalists when existing institutions are often directly harmful.  Alexa is looking into the Maning, Wikileaks, and Snowden trials/investigations, and specifically doing so from the perspective of working indepedently, trying to define a new model for independent journalism that lets people just go do the work, without feeling the need to ask the permission of the New York Times.  Ella is drawing a line from climate change and the lack of action by the rich and powerful through the need for meaningful non-financially-biased global democracy, the Internet as the best current option for that democracy, and thus the need for meaningful protection for high-risk users, and trying to figure out what that protection would look like and how to create an organization capable of helping to fill that gap.

Roxane Googin, Robert Pepper, Johnathn Askin
     
How We Develop Trust Looking Forward.
    
What we do now: We are all moving new paradigm thinking into important bastions of conservatism.  Pepper discusses broadband adption with governments.  Jonathan teaches young lawyers accustomed to backward-looking law construts how to turn their gaze into a currently lawless technological future.  Roxane teaches investors about technological change in order to best allocate capital going forward.
    
Evidence of our improving trust.  Our group was data based.  We tend to have hard numbers to prove we are truthful.  Pepper leerages 10 year histories of social change post broadband introduction to show governments the effeacy of these investments.  He also has hard use cases of capital deployment to show the most effective depoyment scheme given a specific set of resources and installation challenges.  Johathan can point to a growing body of next-generation law to drive his students forward.  Roxane has daily stock prices to point to.  We all basically build trust by a repetitive, evidence-based merging of technology-based and technology-phobic audiences.

Jon Lebkowsky, Fumi Yamazaki, Doc Searls

Fumi worked on Google's Person Finder project in Japan after the 2011 earthquake and tsunami. The goal was to gather the names of people, where they were located (in shelters etc.), whether they were alive or dead. Because network infrastructure was down, there was a difficulty obtaining the data. In shelters, people were posting pictures and information. Google thought to gather these with employees, but there were too few employees to gather the substantial data. They decided they should trust ordinary people, ultimately working with 5,000 volunteers and successfully gathering 670,000 records.   

Doc has been interested in infrastructure, also standards and protocols. He talked about Dig Safe, which is an emerging standard for identifying infrastructure under streets, where there may be a need to dig from time to time. Dig Safe markings, which look like graffiti, identify critical infrastructure so that digging won't break or disrupt (pipes, fibre, etc.) The Internet is built on standards and protocols that facilitate immediate communication, so that we are all zero distance apart in that context. Doc wonders, and is exploring, how we deal with that. He's hopeful that our ability to connect via the Internet will save us. He's writing a book, The Big Zero, about zero distance and the possibilies inherent in those connections.  

Jon has written about and worked with democratic activism, where there is the challenge of bringing people into mutual understanding and agreement, especially given the diversity of thinking and belief. The Internet has had the potential to bring us together, but has also had the effect of creating echo chambers that facilitate separation and polarization. Jon is considering how to create communication across the borders of comfort zones, how people can come to a common understanding, mutual trust and respect.

A consistent thread here is that we're all thinking about how to leverage the social infrastructure of the Internet in a positive and productive way. Fumi learned that an extreme challenge like the tsunami  can bring people together to support and help each other in trusted and effective ways, and that might be one piece of the puzzle.

- David Banks, Saul Aguiar, & Levi 

- Brewster, Marleen, and Elliot

Brewster kahle's THING
* free community wireless
*archiving the web
* free public access
* business model for open non-profits
* a website for content communities; out of archive.org
* foundation housing; bought it, cost-based and market based; like faculty housing
* big data institute
* ALL = resilient, sustainable, open

Marleen
hacking systems
influence politics
striving for open and fair technologies
running the waag, non profit
life sciences tech, biolabs
creating a space where people can experiment
    dialog with other technologists
open medicines
  invite people to work on these projects and help them to grow
same thing as open software, open hardware, but now in bio
   bring things into the public domain.
need to be there soon enough to bring in human factors
resilence
against smart cars, against smart cities, against smart meters (because they are closed)
counter intelligence:   fairmeter.org   

Elliot
trusted networks, trusted suppliers
domain service, mobile services
next 20 years build open trusted networks fixes cable duper fast symmetrical
and that build fiber to the home in small villages
1 gbps to homes and 10meg connection evreywhere
designing service that is responsive on all interactions 
support projects with trusted applications
only mobile provider that has fora for costumers to deal with rooting
for profit company
do good by supporting others
use the capital to build the network
is “fair CALEA” possible

- David Banks, Saul Aguiar, and Levi Maaia 
Reconfiguring the relationships between people and technology to achieve more optimal scenarios either because former scenarios have been discredited or are out of date in some way. Our work moves trust “down” to people who usually aren’t afforded it. Saul’s work responds to the dearth of trust in message security and strengthens the capabilities of people who have built trusting relationships and want to communicate securely. Levi’s work puts trust back into student to not only determine the practice of learning (pedagogy) but the assessment of that work as well. David’s work explores the fostering of trust within alternative organizations as they respond to larger status quo organizations that they do not consider trustworthy.  

- Rebecca Parsons, Ben Gaucherin, and Derek Khanna
Unifying theme is Digital Citizenship - what it requires, what the roles, rights and responsibilities are, and how will we achieve it. The issue involves education, advocacy, technology, law, social norms, to name a few of the problems to be solved.

Derek: Primarily focused on education and advocacy. Describes how the Surveillance state is taking on God-like properties and reflects on how past movements (civil rights, women's sufferage, and even the American Revolution) might well not have happened under this powerful of a surveillance regime. Organizing, activism 
and movements around unpopular ideas can not occur under this kind of surveillance regime. However, such movements allow for reasonably peaceful transitions.  Participating in such movements requires trust and the current surveillance regime makes developing such trust difficult.

Derek is also pushing a start-up idea to crowd source “drafting” candidates for office, including fund raising by crowd-funding, so that citizens can trust in the political process (or at least some candidates). 

Ben teaches about the digital world to those that are not tech savvy. He talks about what the digital world is about, how to operate safely in the digital world, what the implications of things like tracking are in this digital world, and how the digital and physical worlds intersect.  What does it really mean to be a digital citizen.

Rebecca looks at how to make tools more approachable for non-technical people. What is the importance of strong passwords? Why should disks be encrypted? How to encrypt and decrypt emails and files? How to use and configure Tor properly? We need to be able to use these tools to be full digital citizens, but the usability isn’t there.  

-- Question to Binney: What's our blindspot, what are we missing:

How can this group influence the rest of the country to get active -- most of them are so passive. They are not standing up like they used to. Binny's parents would not tolerate this?? 

"Be clear and be American" -- many in the room agree with this.
"The greatest threat to our country since the Civil War."

Suggestions:
    - writing letters to newspapers, Obama
    - find a way to inspire people to understand their own power, think of ourselves as people who can do things
    - support and defend journalists, those who tell the stories
    
Point was made that over-classification by NSA is a big problem

Nadia:
    - Where is this conversation (on strategy) continuing (in this meeting) and where will it continue (after the meeting)

-- Music Plays and Break

Harold Feld: Rough Consensus and Running Code! A recognition from each of us that we are doing what we can as we can, respecting each other....

20:30 3 Minute Cards Played By Many

- choose the strategic battles
- how can we look for the small battles (what are they??)  and then stretch to the bigger  battles
- consumer reports is using story collection
- "how much bighook means to me"
- what we really need is ....... more bighooks. Salons of various scales where people join and talk with each other.
- need to have people on the ground all over where you really talk about things
- bighook folks ---  think about having a salons!

-- Now Nadia has it ....

2 things come out after all of that
- Derek - staring campaigns
- the other -- what is the strategy -- plan B
-- thing about thinstring. How do we do that now????

- An example presented by Nadia....
-- a group creates a fake party "United Estonia"
-- emulated all the aspects of a fasciest party
-- create a (real) rally and charge 250 Euros 
-- in 6 weeks gathered national imagination, revealed the farce afterwards.
-- they had no resources to start and then executed a strategy.
-- is this a strategy we can empoy???????

-- Suggestion to split into 2 rooms...
#1 room
-- small pitch battles with small resources, low hanging fruit
#2 room
-- figure out how we move forward -- is there a decentralized way to deal with all of this?

- a suggestion
-- everyone focus tonights on "quick wins", wait for tomorrow for strategic solutions.

"Bat shit crazy works (?!?!?)"

We split to 2 rooms and we'll see you in the morning....