20101123 precision log…

In the Mood

BH2011HW.pdf

Lady Be Good

Summertime

Steve W winning the prize for quickest identification of songs

<calculating reentry into Bighook conversation>

<picking soft spot for landing>

<organizing small welcoming committee for Jerry>

this is with a found harmonica??

Oh dear - "Zero net jobs were created in August vs expectations of +68k but it does include a reduction of 45k due to the Verizon strike where all will come back in the Sept data. The private sector created 17k, well below expectations of 95k. The household survey did add 331k after job losses in the two prior months but because the labor force rose by 366k, the unemployment rate held steady at 9.1%. The U6 rate rose .1% to 16.2%. Also disappointing, avg hourly earnings fell by .1% m/o/m and is up just 1.9% y/o/y, well below the recent CPI readings of 3%+ and the avg workweek ticked down to 34.2, the lowest since Jan. The avg duration of unemployment fell a hair from its record high. Manufacturers shed jobs for the 1st time since Oct ’10. Jobs were also lost in construction, retail, and at the local government level (state and federal added workers). Jobs were added in finance, business services including temp, education/health and leisure/hospitality. Bottom line, the number sucked and looking to the next few weeks we’ll hear more about QE3 and Obama’s jobs plan"

certain tools should travel with certain people. Benoit : harmonica. Judi : several flash drives.

isen: a big hook

Complaint: too few hours in the days

It's early

I have added the pdf presentation and some background info (early stuff) on the logistics project i mentioned (per request)

Thanks Herman!

FWIW, I give all my photos from here to David. They're copies, of course; so if any of you want your own copies of any shots I've taken, let me know.

Doc: Would love the shots of me

male nurture is a relative concept

Thank you to the guys that stopped by and offered their support/curiosity to our BoF this morning on the east porch

males do often nurture relatives

not always, tho

coaching: it is the journey, not the destination

Steve: Damn confidence fairies are still screwing the American worker

I walked over and bumped in to an estrogen force field. painless and it smelled good, but kept me away!

This panel passed the Bechdel Test. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dykes_to_Watc…

welcome Elliot! (that's often what we feel too.)

Clay Shirky's Rant on Women!

At the end of the day today I'll have all my Bighook shots over the years in one big folder anybody can look through, so see me about that if you'd like copies.

Thank you David for doing as awesomely as you do!

Judi +1

Doc: Great, thanks. But I would really, really love an edited set of ~50 pics

On the Diginotar crisis (Dutch, use Google Translate) http://webwereld.nl/nieuws/107796/rijksdie…

Again: Thank you to the guys that stopped by and offered their support/curiosity to our BoF this morning on the east porch (Don't want this message to get missed.)

there is no wrong gender!

we got to 50-50 male-female speaker roster at PdF this year. BH ratio is what, 20-80?

One recommended candidate: http://userpages.umbc.edu/~zeynep/

Yay Michah!

candidate for what Doc?

Adam Lazarus, ant guy

"big hooker"

Encyclopedia of life: http://www.eol.org/

Zeynep Tufecki, Rebecca Mackinnon, Susan Crawford, Lucy Bernholz, Beth Kanter, Allison Fine, Katrin Verclas, Maretje Schaake, Nancy Scola, Lisa Gansky, Anne Marie Slaughter, Jillian York, Jennifer 8 Lee, Xeni Jardin...

love this idea

I look to see that the ant has low mileage and a paid-up registration

no lemon-ants, then

exactly

Lisa Williams, Catherine Bracy, Silona Bonewald...

inquilines?

Lynne D. Johnson

"Consult Ants". Love it.

Ory Okolloh, Juliana Rotich, danah boyd, Deanna Zandt, Jenni Toomey, Jen Pahlka...

Julie Cohen, Elizabeth Stark, Judith Donath

dot-ant!

Miscrea ants

debut ants

sycoph ants?

(the brown-nose species)

love the CC designation, as well as the text, on the ant cards

celebr.ants

Beth Noveck, Rachel Sterne...

Wendy: Unsure if you can really do CC using a mashup of copyrighted photos?

wait, Beth and Rachel aren't ants are they? Or maybe they're celebr.ants?

Chris M.: I think the photos were licensed for use under CC

Wendy: good point. I wonder if the artists cited on the back of the cards were also cc

57620_700b.jpg

Creepy...

Wendy: It looked to me like he found copyrighted photos and used them... unsure.

The image credits on the back are (c) on the cards I saw

Who's got another ant card I can look at? I read it as copyrighted, and CC-licensed.

CC is a license that works with standard (C)

The first card in the deck says "Contents used under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License"

Wendy: Yes, I understand that CC uses (C) but it looked like individual photos were (c) and the card as a whole was CC

We still get that Benoit. Take the "Math class is hard" (limited release, but released! Barbie) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbie and "I'm too pretty to do homework" tshirt http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_18804268

The ones on my card didn't look like c, Chris.

Chris M: I may have mis-read. I'll ask Adam.

no tvs, no newspapers!!

It looks like http://alexanderwild.com/ (photos on my card) doesn't use CC generally. But perhaps our ConsultANT received permission from the right's holder

my kids don't read newspapers or watch TV either. They read news sites and watch YouTube, Hulu, etc

Here in high-latency country, we use precognition.

four years ago was my only time in Seoul. I'm on the subway and a guy walks on with a tablet PC with a broadband dongle. to my great envy, he proceeded to surf the web, call a buddy with his cellphone and discuss something, then go back to surfing. all while we moved under the city on a clean big subway

We are poor natives of a backward country, and wish to learn your ways.

We should export some of our confidence, we have it in abundance

i am allergic to all generalization about generations.

Chris Mitchell: I would call it more bravado than confidence

Me, too.

That's actually something that bugged me about the "6 Lessons from a Teacher" thing that Jerry linked yesterday

In the youth particularly, their is supposedly spectacular self-confidence. Bravado more generally among the population, perhaps.

Doh, I know the diff between their and there

It was chock full of a lot of generalizations about my generation, and those younger than me, that don't actually ring true to me. (Or, at least, no more true about us than about older people.)

Maggie, do you mean the contents of Gatto's essay?

Agree about generation generalization. FWIW, a link about Japan's "lost generation": http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/cont…

which is here: http://www.cantrip.org/gatto.html

More the part at the end of his essay. Where he starts talking about how terrible and stunted all the young people are

Exactly like HD TV

Maggie, I have the same issue about "baby boomers," even though I are one.

so higher speed access is a one-way valve?

"They have a poor sense of time past and to come; they are mistrustful of intimacy (like the children of divorce they really are); they hate solitude, are cruel, materialistic, dependent, passive, violent, timid in the face of the unexpected, addicted to distraction."

That quote, specifically

how do we share the high-speed experience by metaphor?

That doesn't describe the amazing, engaged young people I've known all my life. And the vast majority of which went to public schools.

I agree with some of the problems he's pointing out. But that conclusion of what he thinks those problems cause feels very off base.

Jerry M, yes, I think so. And that's one thing that legacy service providers don't grasp. They don't understand that you have a big sales effort to do once to shift the customer to fiber, and then you have a captive customer. I have long argued that switchover strategies made more sense than parallel deployment strategies...

6 mb. bleh. what % have 100mb in the netherlands?

I need to plan my next move around Internet connectivity

NOT IMHO calling it "fiber". It's relatively high speed (the baseline is community-based and always going up) and low latency that people need, not a particular technology. But non-nerds don't care about features like bandwidth or latency either - they care about benefits like access to HD movies, faster uploads of their videos, gaming or stock-trading speed et5c.

Wendy Seltzer, so do I! Unfortunately we're investing in extending the house right now, so it's unlikely to be an option anytime soon...

Princeton had fiber (though Verizon kept trying to get me to trade it for TV), I don't think New Haven does

I also think new domain extensions will be like that. it will move from "who needs it" to "why didn't we do this sooner"

thanks, Maggie. I've met tons of amazing young people too, but I've also heard disaster stories systemwide at that level.

I think generalizations about the youth are the most suspect. However, there is definitely something to the shared experience of major events (depression, WWII are key examples) that shape you differently if you are between 7-17 than if you are between 37-47.

with ftth, city wireless would be easy I would think

Even some of my cousins, who I feel were really failed by public school (and by a job market with no middle ground), I wouldn't begin to describe as " cruel, materialistic, dependent, passive, violent, timid in the face of the unexpected, addicted to distraction."

I dunno

Elliot: yes. Chattanooga is doing a wireless overlay. Others have looked at it and I suspect will get around to it.

gwenn taking pictures of doc taking pictures! I want THAT portrait

Elliot Noss: In Lünd they had a program to extend city-wide free wi-fi from the fttb network. I need to talk to Jonas again to see how that's going.

Speaking of pictures, starting at the next break, I'm shooting shallow DOF portraits of everyone. Be ready !!!

Benoit F: the hi:fi:wi ratio would be present!

outsourcing support to the US has become a REAL thing for canadian companies

Elliot: I thought it was odd that when I call support, they would ask "How are you doing, eh?"

I love this, we're being anthropologists of the highly-connected, trying to explain their "difference" to the as-yet unconnected.

An obstacle has been that we don't speak English well enough for the Canadian market. We have had the opposite problem of having to dumb down the English Indians, Irish, and Canadians speak when we outsource support to them.

Wendy Seltzer: And believe me, that's one nut I really want to crack. As a research firm, having actionable solutions to do that would give us huge clout!!!

irregular content = youtube!

@tom it is more for companies providing US services

Benoit: Would it help to take the anthropological perspective deeper - look for researchers who don't have the high-speed experience themselves, but are curious to live among it?

Elliot Noss: not surprised:-}

"I don't hesitate to..." is an interesting frame.

Wendy, do you think that it's a way of saying "this is something I'm going to take for granted soon"?

it also has some pride mixed in. "I'm ready to show it to others now"

it's different from the disruptive technology story where we're content with something that works only half the time because it offers a different value

Wendy Seltzer: that sounds fascinating. I wouldn't have a clue how to go about that, but I like the idea !!!

Benoit: Let's talk!

$60, that's about €3, right ?

Dawn Nafus, an anthropologist of tech, is another cool woman to add to the list

Generalization: Whenever there'san order of magnitude or better increase in available capacity (dial-up to dsl, cable to fiber etc.)the initial take rate is low and hurts the business case and active evanglization of new uses (film in Lafyette, University Connectivity etc) is required to up the take rate and close the economic case.

Lafayette: The Longitudinal Laboratory City

http://oaklandlocal.com Oakland Local

corollary#1: it is incredibly difficult to succeed with an overbuild which offers higher speed only if the incumbents are already offering speeds which meet general community expectations. Uses for the high speed has to be evangelized incredibly well or he capacity has be at significantly lower absolute price

I say the SAME thing about me and 33 and it is not about age it is ALL about the Internet

corollary#2: it is counter-productive to offer a low speed service as part of a disruptively higher-speed service because you are slowing the development of the local market for services which demandhigh bandwidth.

yeah, Doc!

"Fibre gives everyone an oceanfront property on the Internet"

The miraculous naturally tends to become mundane. Emerson said "If the stars shone through the firmament but once a century their beauty would be legend."

Martin:to pick an important nit, he said 25meg symmetric and not fiver. It could be coming from the hybrid-fiber coax. The bandwidth is the ocean, not the technology.

fwiw, I'm getting it from FiOS fiber. I thought I said that.

I often wonder if we confuse FttH with "Bandwidth to the Device" - given smartphone is where it is all at, no good having connectivity that doesn't jump the "last metre" due to tech, provisioning, security, etc. issues

FiOS had the best deal. And it's symmetrical. I want the upstream. Nobody beat 25Mb up.

Anybody who has a cell phone photo of the sailboat disaster, can you email a shot of it to me?

Zing Went the Strings

My husband wants to see it.

Don't Get Around Much Anymore

Alternate words to Don't get around much anymore - burned into my brain from a play I saw in 1990. "Missed the toilet last night. Shit all over the floor. Cleaned it up with my toothbrush. DOn't brush my teeth much anymore..."

Look, I'll go home and get pregnant, if it means I get a fiber light

Now I have a fiber optic light, I have a new commitment to the BH community. I will shoot photos like the one below and the ones here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10043599@N04/…

5247202257_ffda923fcd_o.jpg

magnets

how about lasers?

And I will release them as CC.

How do THEY work?

Send them to the list serve Benoit

Maggie Koerth: I will. Just gimme a few weeks / months to find time to do the project.

Super!

WOO-HOO !!!

if You have not read "the glenmutchkin railway" (uploaded to chat) you haven't lived. Also hilarious and great insight into stock scams etc... courtesy of andrew odlyzko.

glenmutchkin railway.pdf

backchannel should give out an award, too

And now he gets to take that on a plane

i nominate Sascha for best snark

+!

The backchannel award!

Or +1, rather

+1

Sascha, if you accept this prize, you get an extra +1 you can use any time you need to, in case you say something unfunny ever.

All my Google+ should be +2

With the pale blue shirt, dark blue pants and black socks, I expect Brough to deliver my mail.

E-Mail.

B-Mail

Wonder how fast he can run from the neighborhood dogs?

They already know his name; they keep saying Brough! Brough!

ok this meme is making me giggle

Is Moores Law a true reflection of the pace of innovation in semi-conductor miniaturization or smart marketing strategy to limit the release of technology to maximize repeat upgrades of chips?

It's now the Christian Business Building

Do most Christian Scientists to believe in evolution?

no

OTARD will protect you against landlords.

It's a really misleading name

They actually believe in prayer instead of medicine

It's the Church of Christ, ____________.

Such as Church of Christ, Landlord.

in the "its not what you know...." dept, I got roof rights from my wife's old boyfriend!

Elliot: Did you have to beat him up first?

he was happy to help me! not sure what to infer from that

"Internet-in-a-Radiator" is the same equipment as "Internet-in-a-Suitcase"

Don't tell Iran

Here's what Tim Pozar is doing with Ubiquity radios in San Francisco. Fun stuff: <http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10832>

Next step: Iran outlaws HVAC.

could be Internet in a centrifuge too

SLAs are CIO bullshit anyways

the "no support" thing is not a part of the model that I love

someone could sell support as an on-top service?

ya, but it would be more difficult to say much more than "we will look into that"

Wendy Seltzer: and if you can do that "put it up at 9:30 pm" thing, you can do support

I bet they do support, just don't promise it

It is really cool to see built out what Brough was just talking about in past BHs.

NetBlazr sounds suspiciously like Yankee version of Tribal Digital Village.

I just LOVE this model though of course

"We'll violate any rules to try any experiment." — Brough

TrailBlazer?

Do it right: violate the letter AND the spirit of the law. Especially it's dumb and in the way.

The Non-Tribal, Digital, Non-Village

Disruption R Brough.

I thought disruption was his middle name?

It's like real vs. BS coverage maps in radio and tv.

are those arduino?

yes.

Meanwhile, Xeni Jardin told me that Chinese companies were selling bogus geiger counters. Open them up and they were literally filled with rubber bands and crumpled paper and some electronics to make it go "beep" randomly.

We should have an arduino session at a future bighook. Bring and hack with Arduino. Is kool shit.

http://opengeiger.com/ and http://code.google.com/p/opengeiger/ plus many other projects

yes! Arduino hacking session!

Even Arduino is an experience good - I love the product, want to see the cool examples

unsignalized NE stop signs!

confusion increased by what%?

and putting stop signs at roundabouts is stupid, too

I love roundabouts and marvel at how organic they seem in the U.K., especially.

or is it that roundabouts keep people off the roads because Americans can't figure them out?

I never adjusted to 4-way stops in CA.

Is there good data that Americans don't get roundabouts?

bringing a coupla tons of metal glass and rubber to a stop is really energy intensive

Cambridge, MA :)

As an European I am getting very confused at the 4-way stops, we don't know them in Holland

time NE money

Carlien R, yes! I get totally confused too. Who's supposed to go ???

no, we don't need any new signs

oy

omg

no gnu signs, please

car which stopped first if clear else car on the right in a circle if applicable

agree: Uncertainty results in caution. this is a big design principle

thanks Tom

that was better live than on the site!

Is there a business case like this for connectivity?

North Dakota used to have lots of these signs: One for each fatal accidents. There were some intersections that had, like, clusters of these things.

(source: bit.ly to Google Images)

Client server:

calf-cow.jpeg

that's udder nonsense, Doc

TuCows?

Source:

hehe

circumvention. hmmmm

open source is key. there's lots of closed-source snake-oil in the circumvention field

Is Pepper gone ?

Pepper is here

He;s just backlit.

TheInternetIsMyReligion.com

Ah, and he has a cap !

Doc Searls: chrome thinks that bit.ly link is scary

doc s - backlit pepper hilarious

Pepper, I need 10mn of your time before you leave !!!

cool news, Sascha

sascha, is the existence of the Open Internet Tools Project the confidential part, or did I miss a deeper item?

ok, Benoit

The fact that while Iran is searching for Internets in Suitcases, we're funding the *really* disruptive techs is the sensitive part.

gotcha, thanks, Sascha

especially since we may be funding individuals inside Iran to do that development.

congratulations to dewayne and the tongans!

the Tongan Spring!

The key here is that we're looking for pre-start-ups and pre-NGO collaborations etc.

or do they have spring?

open cape and tonga fiber cost about the same

And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, no matter how much you like the movie, READ THE GRAPHIC NOVEL! It will blow your mind away. And while you're at it, read WATCHMEN (same author) for an example of the Alien Invasion scenario mentioned yesterday.

scott chooses d

Consequence 1: attending Bighook leads to meeting really cool people (not unintended, alas)

voip is classically disruptive in the christenson sense

There are nothing but consequences.

the incumbents' sacred cows (eg five nines of service) are the things that innovators gore

as Taleb says, we don't hear from the graveyard, so we lionize the winners as if they knew how it would turn out all along

Palangi: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?…

“The law of unintended consequences is what happens when a simple system tries to regulate a complex system. The political system is simple, it operates with limited information (rational ignorance), short time horizons, low feedback, and poor and misaligned incentives. Society in contrast is a complex, evolving, high-feedback, incentive-driven system. When a simple system tries to regulate a complex system you often get unintended consequences.”

I forget the source of that, but it's not me.

Anyone familiar with the ecological fallacy...

Benoit F: +1

how do we mesh consequences-thinking with scale?

i think we're good at identifying trends, bad at ID-ing the specifics.

Gary L: systems don't function on their own, they are driven by people

and good at identifying problems and poor at solutions

The Internet is unintended infrastructure, yet most infrastructure is intentional. Just saying. Interesting.

doc - really well put

My next book will be on Infrastructure, btw. I think.

Doc, I would really look forward to that

Taleb on antifragility

anti-fragility = robustness

Nice, Jean: conditions, not control

Jeane: We want systems that don't fail easily, and when they fail, fail elegantly

The title (for now) is The Giant Zero: Internet as Infrastructure.

NOTE: discount on your domain names at hover.com = use code enoss33

and anyone who wants in on the ting beta just lmk

gene sharp

Gene Sharp: How to Start a Revolution

revolutionaries who succeed become men of state, those who fail become terrorists

Very true Carlien

Each innovation throws a bunch of balls up in the air. "success" depends on identifying and catching more good balls than bad one.But, without innovation, all the balls lie on the sterile ground of the status quo

smart money is an oxymoron

wisdom in icehockey: don't go where the puck is, go where it is going

I'm getting the sense here at BigHook that AT&T = Deathstart, ITU = Executor-class Star Dreadnought.

we big hookers are an elite and are looking backward at the Internet we know rather than what is going to change the world tomorrow

McPhee on controlling the Mississippi is great storytelling about trying to bound the river

+! Benoit

Tom: Can we recognize and foster the conditions for the next innovations?

sure, Benoit, you have to cook up a storm this year!

+2 Benoit.

didn't mean the last to be rude - just anti-complacency

Carlien R: we just call it hockey

Jerry, thank you for that normal accidents link.

Elliot Noss: for us hockey is fieldhockey (and we're good at that in Holland)

I think BigHook is a non-Euclidean group.

wendy: yes. being incredibly open minded. recognizing failures fast so they we can harvest successes. doing more and talking less. thanx for asking :-}

anybody have good books they want to recommend?

I think of the VRM development community http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/projectvrm/Ma… as intended species with a mix of indended and unintended effects. Also below the radar. It's kind of like 'the world really needs some insects, but dunno what kind yet..."

and now, the inevitable, "how do we keep *this* going" conversation that happens at the end of any good face to face gathering

Sounds risky.

We need a subcommittee to appoint a task forces to define the parameters for conducting a study about our options for more efficiently communicating.

I love mailing lists. They're not perfect, but the protocols are well understood. And they don't need one company to do what they do.

cant end bighook nworrying about risk

google plus invite? please send to steve@kamman.org I like to think of myself as a non-profit

Micah, I mentioned it before but http://www.amazon.com/Wrong-us-Scientists-…

To clarify, my recommendation was to use Hangout for quick conversations, not to use Google+ as a substitute for the mailing list.

not worrying about risk, but celebrating uncertainty

Benoit, i'm with you, we should try it

right on, Wendy

esp if/when something "big" happens in real time and we want to connect

Music: intended consequences.

Maggie, thanks for that--I thought you were referring to Kathryn Schulz's book on Being Wrong which I have

Wendy Seltzer: I totally agree with you

i need $2 more to qualify for free shipping!!

It was nice to meet those of you whom I did. Sorry to be so absent. Here are most of the reasons I was gone: publications du jour: http://bit.ly/GMLsFortuneOp-Ed and http://usat.ly/GMLsUSATodayOp-Ed

This process have given me new-found appreciation for the lack of editors when blogging. On the flip side, I expect much more visibility.