Our Nadia at TEDx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5ffVJRLAdk

I believe this is the Crooked Timber debate on the book Debt: http://crookedtimber.org/category/david-gr…

A BHx talk

Brewster's bravery in the face of lawyers and possible ouch! is really inspiring

visit the Archive in SF on Funston street, in Golden Gate Park. they have a scanning facility next door, in the old Christian Science Reading Room (a delicious irony is that the whole building used to be a Christian Science church)

every Thursday (?) at lunch they have an open company lunch where they talk about what collections just came in and more. fun to attend

a picture of the original WABAC machine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Waybackm…

how much of the old libraries of Baghdad were copied/held in Alexandria? also, how much of all that was carried by the Abassids up to Spain? (where they were preserved, then retranslated back)

I'd never thought of the daunting UI issues the Archive has. interesting to hear Brewster describing those right away

are Digital Humanities researchers turned on to the Archive?

John Holdren sorta reminds me of Mr. Peabody.

he does. good point.

Questions:

When did "Big Data" come along as a popular term? Why? (I have a possible answer, if anybody's interested.)

The Endangered Languages Project: Supporting language preservation through technology and collaboration: http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/ http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/end…

Brewster preaches petabytes in his church: http://www.flickr.com/photos/danejasper/61…

Can a routine be created, or does one exist, for copying one's own public, CC-licensed files or data, from commercial sites with APIs that permit it? For example, Flickr allows copying off all one's photos, with the associated metadata, to wherever one likes, including competing services. It's a great API. I'd like to coy my 50,000 photos from Flickr to, essentially, the public domain. Seems the IA would be a cool place for it.

Book scanning station at the Archive. Note digital cameras in the upper corners, glass plates hold down the pages and an image is taken. (A foot pedal lifts the glass and an operator turns the page, lowers, images, raises, etc.) http://www.flickr.com/photos/danejasper/61…

...or at least by pretending to be lame

how do i join what.cd?

I feel like I've been channeling Pete Kaminski at this Bighook. he's the master maven, tho

I first met Pete here, years ago

would looooove to hear his take on the Archive

I invited Pete Kaminski this year. He could not come . . . i.e., we need to raise his BH priority factor.

Brewster: one-time cost of digitizing pretty much everything in the major libraries is $200mm

overweening copyright legislation is crippling society.

Information economy is extracting more value from a river of information

Apropos topic of state sponsored surveillance

you should hear Archive employees cheer when they report what big collections just came in

Don Norman on conversational black holes: “Drop the subject into the middle of a room and it sucks everybody into a useless place from which no light can escape.”

Doc, wan to know more about that!

It was on the same mini-retreat we did with Jerry, Judi, et. al., in Santa Cruz, in '99, I tihnk. Microsoft came up (they were still big and honking at the time), and conversation got sucked into it. Don then said what I quoted above. He also said "the event horizon exceeds the dimensions of the room." I've quoted it often since then, and cleared it with hm long ago.

I really like what Brewster just said and hadn't thought of that as a goal. We need to make sure that people who want to contribute to betterment of society as a whole (doing stuff for free, making things OS) can make enough money so that they can actually do that. Not for everyone, but there are lots of people who would like to do this. I think stay-at-home moms used to do this for society a lot. Now it is mostly 2 parent families and we've lost that goodwill and those acitons.

Robin Brewster +1

"The problem of provenance."

van jacobson, using ipv 6, to show where original resides

Sculptures inside Internet Archive: http://www.flickr.com/photos/laurapants/69…

prov·e·nance: noun \ˈpräv-nən(t)s, ˈprä-və-ˌnän(t)s\

oh, wow. If you Google for "Aspen Wireless ToasterNet" the first two hits are in my Brain. yikes

here's the Archive page for SFlan: http://archive.org/web/sflan.php

incredible that anything good came of E-Rate

muito obrigado, Choro das 3!

is this a famous tune, or am I already so attuned to it that it feels like home?

is it the Villa Lobos tune they played two nights ago?

it's theirs? w000T!

hot diggety!

this tune is Choro: making me tear up w happiness :)

I nominate this to become the official BH tune

yes!

"every activity you do on computer creates data" -- tell that to someone who just accidentally rm *.*-ed

Breaking news this am, via my son who works in international development. Earthquake in Philippines, Tsuanami warning in effect.

Pete tweeted back what the Archive might do better, as follows: @jerrymichalski: Internet Archive might do more social curation, à la Flickr/Tumblr/Pinterest. Also as much full-text search as possible. :)

is this the time for the Bighook skinny dip?

"Data drives research" I've been telling people that openness drives innovation because innovators make use of cheap/free resrouces.

Open data is a form of innovating on excess capacity.

ooooo, the prized Big Hook!

which is why the US govt should also err on opennes: open devices, open spectrum, open data

(it's like the Giant Claw, but more benevolent)

more fodder for innovators

Great colors in that photo

congratulations, Gwenn!!!

yaaay Bruce and Brewster! thank you!

She's like a smarter Vanna White

isn't cover of brett's book lovely?

I'm more comfortable not knowing what I don't suspect I don't know

If anybody didn't get one of the ten copies of The Intention Economy that I brought here, and wants a .pdf of it, just talk to me.

Hi Doc, got the book already but would like the pdf (or preferably epub) as well

most o these books are in my brain already :{

er, :)

to view my Brain at any time, head to http://www.jerrysbrain.com

The best 10 books I have read last year all have been recommended through BigHook

F2C before jun 2013

muni decision maker workshop June 20 in Nashville

our Just Build It dinner discussion last night was trying to address the problem you just framed, Roxane. We really need an open library/database of these things!!

European FTTH Council document (says Dane)

http://baller.com/comm_broadband.html on Jim's site

FTTH Handbook http://www.ftthcouncilmena.org/documents/R…

FTTH Business Guide http://wiki.ftthcouncil.eu/index.php/FTTH_…

FYI -- here's the plan I developed for the Obama transition team re: building 21st century information superhighway: http://otrans.3cdn.net/bdfabd7d854c020708_…

These two documents are good "getting started" guides, basic infrastructure stuff, network architectures, financing and business model, etc.

I love this: "Getting there is so different from being there."

the gutted version of the policy brief is what ended up as the executive order that popped out 2-3 months ago.

+1 Noss, see that problem in EU as well

The "inter-muni-net"? Standard platform that wrappers bottom-up commercial networks.

Muni by its nature fragments the network and excludes wholesale & reseller models, a-la Ting.

what we need is demonstrable business success stories

Standardized wholesale connection arrangements on level 2 are needed

that recipe = access rights, fiber-laying skills, wholesale and capital. each is a very separate skill set

There are several open access / wholesale (fiber) networks in the US, notably Utopia in Utah and several in WA state. Several have had financial problems, and now munis are avoiding open access. Giving up too much margin to private sector ISPs, in addition to ISPs not motivated or in possession of resources to market as aggressively as is needed for the muni to make payments. WiredWest began as an open-access model, and were strongly advised to do retail for sustainability reasons.

I have specific comments on those monica. most importantly, I am not suggesting exclusively wholesale, but wholesale is SO important to get the level of penetration necessary to maximize variability. so much more....... :-)

There is another metaphor we implicitly use, which is that networks do work, when they don't: http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=f105fd…

Netguard info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emer…

let me go on the record as saying things are getting better! :-)

@amac (Alex MacGillivray, Twitter's GC) replies to what the Archive can do better, as follows: @jerrymichalski@peterkaminskiui,ui,ui,ui

The Rational Optimist: http://www.amazon.com/dp/006145205X?ie=UTF…

The idea of network neutrality comes from an anthropomorphisation of packets; treating them like parcels when they have fundamentally different properties.

Open access for backhaul is an important revenue stream, but in terms of offering services, all the evidence points to the need to go retail. Jackson Energy is another great example of a network that experienced major financial challenges from open access (they are now a retail network).

I want to believe what he is saying, but population is not just growing, we are at the vertical part of the curve

Book is on my list.

Monica Webb: all the evidence says MVNOs dont work and a number of other truisms that are more a question of correlation than causation

Monica/Elloit : there is a lot of evidence supporting you both. Retail is needed to get subscribers, wholesale easy standardized API (in parallel) is needed to attract ISP's that provide diversity and a vibrant ecosystem

lev is right! hehe

Monica and Elliot: It would be interesting to investigate why a pure wholesale dark fiber municipal network has worked exceptionally well (and profitably) in Stockholm (Stokab AB) while most US muni-networks end up vertically integrated. What's different? Is there anything we could do in the US to foster a profitable dark fiber muni? or is it inherently impossible given our incumbents and our legacy legal structures?

<----- joking

Elliot, give us those four things again, in your recipe.

Brough: see the report of Benoit, and the comments of Anders

I have seen it. :) US question remains.

Stokab is an anomaly , also in Europe.

Baller: how can we fix the problem of jobs and quality of life?

I gotta problem with "jobs." I don't have one. But I do have work.

I do think work matters.

To create a digital society & jobs you need a ubiquitous data transport that is fit-for-purpose for things like distributed energy, life-critical home healthcare, etc.; we haven't built that yet.

I stand corrected, Doc. I wasn't using "jobs" in the narrow sense, and I should have been more clear.

obligation?

Jobs are to work as restaurants are to cooking; packaged "work as a service"

Postal Office in NL is introducing "First Class Email", secure encrypted traceable accountable delivery of electronic documents

can ppl enumerate reasons why the US Postal System is important to keep alive? (apologies if this sounds like too naive a question)

most of what I get, the vast bulk, is paper that should never have been printed

+1

Jerry Michalski: me too.

Herman - WOW! That's going to be extensible to a full B2C multi-modal comms service over the years ahead

Barbara +1 -- and I have a friend I keep pushing to go for the job of Postmaster General. I have to put you two together. She is an urban planner & mainstreet business development person

Why doesn't the Postal Clause cover digital as well as atom distribution of stuff?

Is that like Santa Clause?

Jerry Michalski, maybe this is a naive answer, but the First Amendment

Population is growing globally, but it levels off with urbanization. The US & Western Europe aren't growing for example. To make it to 9BB people, they have to be almost fully urbanized. That means higher economic and education opportunity, which correlates to lower returns from procreation. So we'll level off (modulo curing cancer and life extension). If you think things are bad with continual population (& thus, market) growth, just wait until everyone's potential customer base is shrinking every year.

France has this incredible and large (40 people?) in an Innovation Department, who spend their time finding other revenue models

the first good maps and roads in the UK were created for the postal system there. pioneering. also the first big intrusions of central govt in local life (see @joguldi's book Roads to Power: http://www.amazon.com/Roads-Power-Britain-… )

but that's not an argument for preservation of the systems

postmen get paid for knocking on some doors to see that an old person is still alive; other is around data security -- they match a face with IDs with postal address

why not deal ONLY with the pockets (rural, old) because simply getting prescriptions sent can be done more efficiently by low-cost private sector

Pablos, I'm thinking life extensions of various kinds (which will have severe income inequalities) will overcome low birth rates. that plus some populations that keep growing uncontrollably

if we could cut off three limbs of the postal system we might be able to have the last one be REALLY healthy and my guess is the postal union is the biggest obstacle to change

post offices have incredible real estate, always urban, possibile centers for community meeting, innovation, incubators

The Internet has a dark side which is uncomfortable to acknowledge: http://jip.vmhost.psu.edu/ojs/index.php/ji…

Robin Chase: what a great source of capital that would be

We see a trend in EU that package delivery locally (last mile) is shared by the competing companies (UPS/TNT etc.)

what if we took all that postal real estate and created real civic centers for discourse and inquiry? instead of standing in line to send packages?

agh NO -- sell off that prime real estate and buildings -- a give back to the private sector. noooooooo

I was invited to talk to a group of (mostly European) postal organizations about each becoming a "fourth party": one that works in the marketplace on behalf of the customer, rather than the seller. Think of taking the side of the public in the "war against the public" that David I is talking about. A teaser: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2011/04/1… http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2009/04/1…

but wait! if we could gracefully sunset OLD infrastructure we could more easily create new infrastructure.

For a read on Open Services Exchange see 2 PDF in the Library on Open Service Exchange.

QUOTE: Concluding the main body of the book, Natalie Fenton makes an excellent case against the politically transformative power of social media. These services are the sucrose and saccharin of the digital world: attractive but lacking life-nourishing power for society as a whole. Systems of mass self-communication are structured subtly to serve the advertising and commercial ends of their owners. This “cultural capitalism” rewards the accumulation of contacts and information by private organizations with little thought to civic engagement issues. Small organizations have small voices, and protest tends towards invisibility. Fenton plausibly argues that “social media will replicate and entrench inequalities,” and that it is a mistake to assume that networks are inherently liberatory.

that point is right. But I hear Barbara as saying what is the transitoin?

what is new uses for these assets?

I'd love to keep it as Commons, Robin. So commerce doesn't eat all the spaces and turn them into Ann Taylors or malls that aren't amenable to civic discourse

Doc: like combining all Internet deliveries for a customer, and picking up groceries along the way

and to get rid of the HUGE number of elements of it that are no longer necessary

exactly Jerry

has anyone recommended Richard John's "Spreading the News": http://www.amazon.com/Spreading-News-Ameri…

Right, Herman. The context there is Intentcasting http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/projectvrm/In…

awesome book re: history of the post office

interested in why they can not compete with comcast

If you do tripple play, you are a cable company. That seems pretty clear.

Sascha, thanks! had never seen that book. now ensconced nicely in my Bwain

Ram Mohan: I don;t see the application here http://www.domainpeople.com/partnerservice…

Ram Mohan: where is the app?

another great anonymity site

Not an application - they are approved and live

ahhh the old app. of course

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(ma…)

People are happy with cable broadband. Not enough incentive to move. We're having the same experience with WiredWest. People with satellite, wireless and to some extent DSL are the customers the most hungry.

crypto.cat support came out of conversation in my living room.

Elliot, Comcast defines cable. If you want TV, and Comcast is on your poles, you get it from Comcast. And they do it well. Even FiOS can't compete well with Comcast, getting just a 22% take rate. I've talked with lots of neighbors about it, and most actually perceive that Comcast has more than FiOS. It doesn't. It has far less and looks worse. But Comcast = cable, and FiOS markets terribly, selling TV with Internet gravy.

THANK YOU DAVID!

muito obrigado, David!!!!

Thank YOU, David!

watch the guitarist conduct with her eyes (tx Herman)

and if you haven't seen Itay Talgam's great TED talk about conductors, watch it: http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/itay_tal…

the last one is Lennie Bernstein, but I won't give away his technique

bye, everyone!

great Bighook

Bye all, as well. If anybody wants copies of the pix I shot, lemme know.