Friday, September 21, 2007
Pic>1kword: When Net Neutrality Goes Away
Comments:
I am just waiting for those who know how to do these things to create a web page that can mimic how a non net neutral web site would work. Imagine a site were people can test drive a non net neutral web. For example..taking 10 minutes to load wikipedia but speeding along to an another corporate web site.
# posted by 
: 9/22/2007 4:52 AM
: 9/22/2007 4:52 AM
Perhaps someone could create a Firefox plugin that would do this, where you could edit a list of (relatively) "accelerated" and "slowed" websites.
How did we ever let net nutrality ever die.The internet monsters have enough money.Why must we pay them more.
The 'Net is not neutral even now. I'm on dial-up, and I am unable to get or disallowed from getting some videos and some webpages.
# posted by : 9/22/2007 12:37 PM
: 9/22/2007 12:37 PM
This looks a lot like my T-Mobile T-Zones feature. Where I can get limited access to a "preferred" providers of weather, movie times, sports scores, etc.
We can learn a lot by the limited Internet access provided to most mobile users.
We can learn a lot by the limited Internet access provided to most mobile users.
# posted by : 9/22/2007 3:27 PM
: 9/22/2007 3:27 PM
This does already exist. Have a look at: http://x-series.drei.at/portal/de/x-series_kaufen/X-Series_kaufen.html and at http://www.three.co.uk/xseries/get_x_series/index.omp. It is possible to use the "included services" for free. For all the other services you have to pay.
# posted by : 9/23/2007 6:11 AM
: 9/23/2007 6:11 AM
C'mon David. Although this picture is funny, you know that it is not the intent. You are fueling the FUD over net neutrality. All packets are not created equal. I would like an Internet where my real-time and near real-time traffic received priority over someone searching for porn or passing along another stupid chain letter. Tell me you wouldn't rather have a MOS of >4.2 for Skype or 8x8 for a couple of bucks extra a month.
Right now the only choice of quality VoIP service we have is from the LEC or MSO that do it in their walled garden. Providing differentiated services would allow VoBB providers to compete effectively with the same carriers we are labeling as evil. This same example applies to video. Finally, we both know that throwing more bandwidth does not solve this problem.
I frequently wax on about true net neutrality at http://blog.inphotonicsresearch.com.
Right now the only choice of quality VoIP service we have is from the LEC or MSO that do it in their walled garden. Providing differentiated services would allow VoBB providers to compete effectively with the same carriers we are labeling as evil. This same example applies to video. Finally, we both know that throwing more bandwidth does not solve this problem.
I frequently wax on about true net neutrality at http://blog.inphotonicsresearch.com.
"I'm on dial-up, and I am unable to get or disallowed from getting some videos and some webpages." <-- net neutrality primarily is when your provider 'chooses' what you should or should not be able to download. (Probably with a commercial motive) .. which is not quite the same
# posted by : 9/23/2007 5:31 PM
: 9/23/2007 5:31 PM
"net neutrality primarily is when your provider 'chooses' what you should or should not be able to download."
I believe you have it backwards.
I believe you have it backwards.
# posted by : 9/24/2007 12:16 PM
: 9/24/2007 12:16 PM
Hi David, greetings from Hands Off the Internet.
So here's the thing -- I don't believe for a second you really think this picture actually shows what the Internet would look like if ISPs started offering QoS widely. Doesn't approximate it, either.
But people like the first Anonymous seem to believe it could take up to 10 minutes to visit Wikipedia, which is overwhelmingly text, and wouldn't take very long to load even if not prioritized.
And with Verizon FiOS and AT&T U-Verse coming online, even if it takes relatively longer to reach a non-prioritized site, it will still be absolutely faster to reach than it is now.
If there's one thing we can agree on, it's that we need more broadband deployment, epecially in the last mile. However, we think we won't get the investment we need if the net is regulated any more than it needs to be.
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So here's the thing -- I don't believe for a second you really think this picture actually shows what the Internet would look like if ISPs started offering QoS widely. Doesn't approximate it, either.
But people like the first Anonymous seem to believe it could take up to 10 minutes to visit Wikipedia, which is overwhelmingly text, and wouldn't take very long to load even if not prioritized.
And with Verizon FiOS and AT&T U-Verse coming online, even if it takes relatively longer to reach a non-prioritized site, it will still be absolutely faster to reach than it is now.
If there's one thing we can agree on, it's that we need more broadband deployment, epecially in the last mile. However, we think we won't get the investment we need if the net is regulated any more than it needs to be.
